Trump and AGW

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  1. Vegas giants

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    I have been hearing forever that the only reason every science agency in the country supports AGW is because they are paid off by the government. The GOP now has the presidency, house and senate. Are you saying that within a year every agency in the country will now say AGW is fake? Will NASA take down its AGW website? Yes or no
     
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    doubtful, the propaganda machine for AGW has been going on for 30 years now. Miracles are not to be expected

    that would be a probable yes, I expect GISS's duties to be transferred to NOAA . I also expect the current head of NOAA to be replaced with a less AGW friendly director. Of course we have the NWS also, all three could be combined for less redundancy and expense

    EPA also is in for a severe trimming
     
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    But won't these agencies now have to deny AGW to get funding? I mean if they were lying all this time can't they now tell the "truth"? Will they openly deny AGW within a year? Yes or no.
     
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    is everything black and white to you ? What a simplistic view of a complex subject you have
     
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    Science agencies are not the issue it's only the ones funded by the government who want to control where you keep your thermostat.
     
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    So will the ones funded by the government deny AGW? The question is so simple. If they could get more money to deny AGW won't they do it?
     
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    Most of the people working for the gov't care about their paychecks more than anything. Serving in political office is the ultimate crime racket whichever side you lean towards.
     
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    Why is it so hard to answer my question directly? It seems to be terrifying to you guys! Lol
     
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    AGW is not fake. Climate science in its entirety will be studied.
     
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    Oh.....trump said it was a Chinese conspiracy. Lol
     
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    you got to admit China and India have been the big beneficiaries. Australians have a hard time paying utility bills because of their government buying solar panels from China to make some of the time energy while Australian coal companies ship their cheap 24 & 7 energy to China
     
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    A direct answer to my question must be terrifying
     
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    Do AGW profiteers like Al Gore get tax exempt status under current IRS regs? Perhaps that's something Trump should take a look at.
     
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    Uh....why would he get tax exempt status?
     
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    Because he's doing God's work keeping the earth safe from those greedy polluting capitalists?
     
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    Yes....that would be a good reason
     
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    just because you do not like the answer it is still the answer. If you want to deny that China and India have been the big beneficiaries economically at least, then feel free to stick your head in the sand. The UN convinced the EU and Australia to increase the cost of their energy which shifted manufacturing to China and India whose economies have boomed. meanwhile in the EU and Australia people and what industry is left are paying increased energy bills. This did not decrease carbon emissions or pollution a bit worldwide. In fact due to the lack of standards in those 2 countries it has most likely increased worldwide because China and India are not held to the standards the EU, USA, and Australia have imposed upon themeselves

    China Air Pollution

    As one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world, China has abundant tourism resources, the vast majority of which are of great renown. However, the number of tourists visiting China declined from 2013, mostly due to its increasingly serious air pollution. Many cities have been adversely affected by hazy weather since the beginning of 2013. This is especially true of central and eastern China’s cities such as Tangshan, Jinan, Zhengzhou, and Xian for example.

    It is known to all that the rapid development of China’s economy in the past 30 years resulted in environmental degradation. Nevertheless, the hazy weather records of China in 2013 attracted global attention. It is a pity that as a consequence some foreign residents choose to give up their jobs and life in China.


    meanwhile here in the USA we get 33% of our electricity from coal and another 33% from natural gas and using this link you can see the difference in air quality in the USA compared to China, India and Mexico. It's an interactive real time map . You can zoom, pan etc to compare USA to the EU, China etc

    http://aqicn.org/map/usa/#@g/-8.9244/-42.7148/2z
     
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    China and India are drowning and choking on their own pollution. Is it such a great benefit to drown in your waste? Or to choke from your own pollution? I find choking uncomfortable and pollution sickening. I am so tired of hearing about how well off third world (*)(*)(*)(*)holes are. I don't hear Australians complaining much either. It seems to be Americans complaining for them.
     
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    So will they now say that it is not happening?
     
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    When America began buying cheap imports from China it effectively outsourced its pollution but have no fear Trump will ride to the rescue, dismantle the EPA and return America to the heady days of "pollute at will"
     
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    We have already polluted Lake Okeechobee in Florida and still pay twice the price for sugar. Crony capitalism at its finest.
     
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    arn't you a huge fan of solar energy? Do you have any clue how much polution is generated making or recycling a solar panel.It's a pretty heftry price to pay envieronmentaly as well as economicaly for something that only works a few hours a day at best

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/solar/solar-energy-isnt-always-as-green-as-you-think

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...r-panel-manufacturing-sustainability-ranking/

    Time for the EPA to get back to concentrating on real pollution not a naturally occurring gas that plants use for food. CO2 is good for the envieronment
     
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    You are so right. We should produce as much CO2 as we possibility can because we want to stop the coming ice age and provide free plant food to millions. Heck we won't even have to water our plants anymore because increased CO2 is going to magically water our deserts and make the earth a utopia.....ridiculous.
     
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    what is ridiculous is your post. Why do you think commercial and even some home gardeners use CO2 generators in their greenhouses. Co2 levels up to 1500 ppm can increase yields as much as 30%

    http://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide
     
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    Once again you are right. We must make every effort to increase CO2 because that is all plants need. And the reason we need to increase production of CO2 is the fact that all these billions of green solar panels will suck CO2 out of the air and reduce productivity. So we must make more.....Crops, just like anything else.. ...plateau. Yeilds will only go up so far.
     

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