Do you believe there will be another US Civil War in the next 100 years? I do.

Do you believe there will be another US Civil War in the next 100 years? I do.


I certainly do and I consider myself very centrist. I live in Texas. All I see is two worlds going further and further apart both in Texas and in the country at large. In Texas it's very extreme to the extent that essentially all of South and Central Texas are for all intensive purposes Mexico and everything above them is Anglo Texas with a radically different culture, religion and people. Those two extremes are only becoming more pronounced on all levels. And numerically the Anglo Northern culture is on a radical, fast decline while the Latino culture is virtually exploding in growth at all levels.

I do not see, even in the most centrist viewpoint, a scenario where the US isn't in a civil war within 100 years. I do not see it being avoided. Nor do I think most Americans, even most northern Texan for instance, truly grasp the extremes I speak of. South and North Texas are not the same country. The East Coast is not really the same country as the South. Nor is the West Coast to any of the rest. Florida is its own planet. Appalachia is another galaxy entirely.


Those are just my thoughts broadly speaking. What do you think? Are you optimistic or no? To me too many structural imbalances have built up among too many powerful factions for there to be a country in the future without a settling of primacy.

 

There is an older book (it may have a revised edition, but I dunno) you might find interesting. It is called The Nine Nations of North America and is by Joel Garreau.

Do you really think the differences you observe between regions in your state and other areas in the US are enough that people will die over them?

 

I voted yes, but could have voted no. I leaned to yes since we are in the 'Trump hairy homo era' That is, if 2 hairy homos can be husband and wife then Trump can be pres and we can have a civil war. In short, anything goes in the world that the Dems built.

 

More along the lines of east and west...

... rather than north and south...

... with the Mississippi River being the dividing line.

 

I would opt more for Urban vs Rural. That seems to be the way most national elections are split.

 

If the Democrats of today are any indication, then yes, I must concur. Been saying for years that we have a growing divide in this country between political left and right that appears to be taking us to a civil war. It is definitely the left, including at least some Democratic politicians, who are at fault for this, too, as they continue to demonize and spread disinformation about white and conservative Americans. We have many deluded minority groups and their allies who seem to believe quite sincerely that blacks lack equality in society and the justice system, for instance. And look at this nonsense about the "alt-right" - they, whoever they actually are, are equated to Neo Nazis. Even the BBC is in on it now. American conservatives looking for an alternative to the Republicans and taking a stand against illegal immigration are characterized as monsters!

It got really bad with Bush Jr. already, this drive toward extremism on the left, and it's only been getting worse since. The greatest danger we face is a loss of a unified national identity to radicalism and identity politics, to people deciding that to be American is to be in their camp, and that the other camp is too different and some kind of enemy. This absolutely will tear the nation apart eventually if it continues, perhaps by secessionist movements, or worse, through an outright insurgency seeking to wrest control over territory through violence. I don't see anyone attempting to engage in meaningful dialogue, but instead antagonizing anyone who disagrees with them, often wrongfully lumping others into the greater ideological camp that they oppose in the process. That is, there is decreasing room for centrists, for independents, for individuals. You're either left or right, progressive or conservative, with or against "us."

 

Yes, that is pretty much the ideological dividing line. Urban populations are predominantly of a progressive mindset while rural populations are not, focused instead on economy and conservative social and religious values. It might be fun to delve into exactly how and why this is so. One major factor, and perhaps the very root of it all, is higher education, I'm sure, specifically what is taught both explicitly and implicitly at colleges and universities. I think that this is a major factor generating the ideological divide, as those who get deep into academia are going to be exposed to a lot of progressive ideas and begin to think of themselves in more metropolitan ways, and view the world differently. Unfortunately, as we've seen, these people also tend to think highly of themselves and look down on their rural neighbors. The push for globalization is bound to come from this source as well, as these people develop a more global perspective and begin to think of the world as a whole. They're more likely to travel and intermingle with other cultures, and with their education they will develop ideas about how to organize the world politically into one supra-national whole. Rural people aren't mindful of such things at all, as again they're focused on their own communities and families. This is the crux of the divide between left and right today.

 

I don't see it happening. People in America are too connected with one another. I don't see an "us verse them" mentality in everyday life. Most Americans aren't extremist. They don't spend all day on political forums or watching cable news. Most Americans aren't rioting, going to Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street rallies.

Most Americans are just going about their daily lives, working hard and trying to make a living. They don't have time to take up arms to fight their brothers or overthrow a government.

For a civil war there would have to be an issue as divisive as slavery and I don't see any issues which raise to that level.

 

True enough, although look at how many turned out to whine and wail and gnash their teeth about Trump's victory. That wasn't just online.

 

Suffice to say that Urban communities look down upon and feel superior to Rural communities.

 

And fail to appreciate their situations. They're far removed from the Rust Belt.

 

Yes but then it got cold and the new season of television shows started and so they went home.

 

I would love to see the hot-shot lawyer get up at 3AM to get the milking machines cranked up.

 

A civil war could happen if one particular political party gains power for decades. The Trump election shows that people are tired of Democrat, liberal, ineffectual rule. Lucky for the liberals, the country didn't go 'alt-right' because Trump is not an 'alt-right' person. If more right-leaning leadership lasts for decades I expect a shift toward the left.

The Civil War was basically about economics of the time which was supported by slavery in the South. Any large economic issue with disparate disagreement among the populace and politicians has (IMO) the potential to spark civil war.

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A civil war could happen if one particular political party gains power for decades. The Trump election shows that people are tired of Democrat, liberal, ineffectual rule. Lucky for the liberals, the country didn't go 'alt-right' because Trump is not an 'alt-right' person. If more right-leaning leadership lasts for decades I expect a shift toward the left.

 

And rural communities look down on and feel superior to urban areas, what's the difference? I think you make too much of differences that no longer exist, and may never have.

 

Having grown up in a rural community I can assure you they do exactly the same thing using a few different criteria. I got to hear about it for decades - how corrupt & dangerous cities are; how rural areas make all the money; how; how 'soft' and immoral city dwellers are. And after all of this you get the 'AND they look down on us'. Spare me. They had all the same problems, they just refused to see it.

For the record I live in the inner city in an area notorious for drugs. I see people buying, selling & using daily. We average better than an OD death ever 2 weeks. I feel MUCH safer here than i ever did in that rural town.

 

I don’t foresee a traditional military war but there clearly are massive divisions across the US that seem destined to lead to ever more social, political and physical conflicts. If anything that could be worse than a simple war in that it would be messier, less predictable and much more difficult to establish any kind of definitive conclusion.

 

They did exist. They do exist, and they will continue to exist. We live with it every day.

 

I tend to think that if one political party gains power for decades they will control the media and shut down opposition and opposing ideas and literally brainwash the public into one ideology. Just like China, and North Korea. There may be minor uprisings but the infidels will be quickly squashed.

 

So long as the US possesses nuclear weapons, we will never have a full scale civil war.

 

Yes.
It will start after the collapse of the federal government brought on by the unmanageable federal debt and its effect on the economy.

I own an AR15 because the next revolution will not be fought with muskets.

 

I raise my own food because you can't eat bullets.

 

There is only one scenario that civil war will be necessary; if The People lose the ballot box. For instance, if the democrats succeed in subverting the process, as they are currently trying to do, and try to strip the win from the republicans, then our means of purging our governance has failed, and the corrupt criminal cronies have seized control. The ballot box and the peaceful transfer of power is the last line of defense against civil war. When we can no longer send the scoundrels packing peacefully, then we have no remaining choice but to resort to less peaceful means of doing so.

 

I think it would be very difficult to control media today because of the almost infinite number of Internet information sources. However that doesn't keep people from trying..... As an example, I have been looking at the 'Russian influence' story bouncing around the MSM. There are no real sources (except for 'senior officials') and nowhere is it mentioned that Russians actually changed the election outcome yet, people like John Podesta are trying to give the story legitimacy with the hope he can cause a movement to change the elector's votes by Dec 20th.

 

I do need to read that book you're right. I think I've seen something about it somewhere.

Yes I do believe in the next 100 years the US will have an extremely bloody civil war that will see the military side with the right and the rest of the military defecting and siding with the socialists/left of the future US. I do believe it will likely be the end of the US as people know it and a very different US, still the US but different, will emerge. I firmly believe this as a person with a political science degree who's been a top forum poster at several forums since the early 2000's. (no longer save for here)