What, if anything, will Repubs do to insure or uninsure Americans?

Here they come.

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The GOP has been chomping at the bit to savage nationalized RomneyCare with its "mandate" that underscores the "ultimate conservative idea" - individual responsibility:

"The idea for a health care plan [in Massachusetts] was not mine alone. The Heritage Foundation — a great conservative think tank — helped on that.
I’m told Newt Gingrich, one of the very first people who came up with the idea of an individual mandate, did that years and years ago.

It was seen as a conservative idea to say, you know what? People have a responsibility for caring for themselves if they can.
We’ll help people who can’t care for themselves, but if you can care for yourself, you gotta take care of yourself and pay your own bills."

Willard Mitt Romney​

“Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance,
particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.”

Newton Leroy Gingrich​

Of the 20,000,000 Americans who have become insured under the Affordable Care Act, how many voted for Trump in the belief that he was lying about repeal? Or that his mysterious replacement that he described as "terrific" would cover them all?

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Will the congressional fussbudgets maintain their own taxpayer-subsidized family health insurance as a perquisite of being on the federal payroll while they again consign tens of millions of struggling Americans to the possibility of personal bankruptcy and confiscation of property due to major illness, followed by the taxpayer's being billed to keep them alive?

After six years of vapid bluster and impotence in contriving a viable alternative, what will they do?

What will they do?

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Guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

We'll find out AFTER new congress begins and the House, then the Senate gets to add their 2-cents. That's the way it works. I wouldn't say it happened overnight since it began in 2010 when the dems lost control of the House because they pushed Obamacare down our throats without one Republican voting for it, or even having a say in what it would contain. The dem way is how it doesn't work.

Those photos of Obama sitting with Rs in 2009 were just photo-ops meant to look like Obama was "working" with Republicans. Fooled ya didn't he.

Steve

 

Given that Repubs have been bellywhinging about the Affordable Care Act for years, and staging repeal stunts at least 48 times in the House when they've had nothing better to do, one might have suspected they might have come up with some comparable if not superior approach - beyond protecting their own taxpayer-subsidized family coverage.

Apparently not.

 

What they'll do is get people decent jobs.

Welfare is not supposed to be a generational goal.

With employment, comes healthcare.

 

Republicans did what their constituents wanted them to do. I personally didn't like to see them go through so many attempts, but you weren't paying attention to conservative talk shows that were convincing many that Republicans could get it past Obama's veto, much less through the Senate's 60-vote barrier. Now that Rs have the presidency (but not a 60-vote Senate), you can bet they will try again and likely succeed this time, while coming up with a much better replacement. But it all depends upon the unity of Republicans and Democrats seeing a better system come from debate and discussion that should have taken place in 2009.

Most important is to finally address the high costs of healthcare.

Steve

 

Trump latched onto Clinton's advocacy of Medicare being allowed to negotiate with Big Pharma to control Rx costs, but their paid toadies in Congress will fight it.

If the GOP continues to be run by radio entertainers, they'll be in trouble. The 2016 election may have been a disaster for the bloviators if it killed their snivel 'n kvetch shtick.

Rather than jumping out of the plane and then looking for a parachute, Repubs would do well to finally come to grips with their replacement for the Affordable Care Act before they make their fateful leap.

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What will they do?

It's not the federal government's job to prove health care to anyone, make sure they have access to health care, force them to buy health care, or make someone else pay for someone's health care/

Thus, your question is invalid.

 

Of course, the reality is that employer-administered plans are heavily subsidized by the taxpayer: The largest tax subsidy for private health insurance (the exclusion from income and payroll taxes of employer and employee contributions for employer-sponsored insurance) was estimated to cost approximately $250 billion in lost federal tax revenue in 2013.

Not all employers offer coverage.

There are many Americans who are too enterprising to be wage slaves.

The national unemployment rate has been reduced to 4.6%.

You don't seem to have any answers to what the Repubs will do with the 20,000,000 Americans who gained coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Canceling their coverage would again assign their medical expenses to the taxpayer.

 

That is your personal opinion.

Slightly more Americans agree (52%) than disagree (45%) that the federal government is responsible for making sure that all Americans have health care coverage, according to a new Gallup survey. (Source: Gallup; December 8, 2016.)

If your ideological dogma dictates that the federal government stop subsidizing employer-administered plans, mandating that an individual be covered, and eliminate Medicare and Medicaid, would you let Americans who cannot afford needed coverage die, or expect the taxpayer to foot the bill for their medical care?

 

I wonder how many of those only did so because they lost their prior coverage under 0-care?

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It's not just his opinion. The federal government does not have the authority or the mandate to force us into freaking health insurance or somehow provide it to us. You want that, move to a Communist or Euro-Socialist paradise and leave us be.

 

It's interesting to see that, after years of whining about the Affordable Care Act, one asks the reasonable question of what its proposed replacement will be for 20 million Americans, and instead of providing details of a carefully-thought-out, viable alternative, the chronic bellywhingers are still standing around with their thumbs firmly inserted.

 

It's not the opinion of the US Supreme Court, and it's their opinion the counts in the matter of summarily canceling the health insurance of tens of millions of Americans.


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No one, not even Trump, is talking about cancelling the health insurance of any Americans. Of course, neither did 0bama, but his legislation has managed exactly that. But gee, he and the other Democrats did it, so I guess that was OK. They've jacked up premiums for millions of Americans and imposed an annually increasing tax on those who don't want insurance, but oh well. I guess that's somehow progressive.

 

Trump and Turtle have the same chin and neck - lol

 

Hell, Natty, I don't think any of us knows what Trump's going to replace Obamacare with, but he's got to get rid of it, because even you guys on the Left agree now that it's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing disaster -- unless you're one of the ones who have managed to find some way to get the government to give everything to them for free.

My guess is that Trump will:

1. Roll out some kind of health "savings plan", maybe with some kind of "match" or even (gag!) a government "subsidy" of some kind. I hope not... "subsidy" is really just another word for welfare, but the liberal Left won't like a "contribution" plan anyway because it won't be a total big government handout to people who pay currently pay little or nothing for their own healthcare right now.

2. He'll insist that competition between health insurance companies covers all 50 states, and that will be a good thing! The bigger companies can subcontract to smaller companies if they want to -- but first they have to win the business, and that means competition (also, always a good thing).

3. He'll also insist that pre-existing conditions are covered. This is truly unfair as hell to any company, even including healthcare companies, but nobody will support a reform that doesn't have it. Politics. It stinks though... imagine -- you treat your car like (*)(*)(*)(*) and don't replace worn parts or ever get it worked on, and then you go to the dealership where you bought it and demand that they fix it on some kind of "insurance plan" AFTER it's already totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed-up, with no catch-up pay for anything. Stinks!

4. He'll probably keep the provision that allows adult "children" to remain on Mommy and Daddy's health insurance until they're twenty-seven years old. That's part of why so many Millennials (and younger) have turned into what Hilarity Clinton scoffed at as "basement dwellers and baristas". They'll never grow up and take responsibility because they're still sucking on a socialist sugar-teat at Mommy and Daddy's house, but, again... POLITICS (*sigh!*)....

So, what will be good about it? Hell, I don't know. Frankly, the damned government should get out of the health insurance racket and STAY out of it, in my not-so-humble opinion.... The only exception would be Medicare for people who were forced by law to pay into that system all their working lives, and, people on Medicaid, who are so impoverished that they can't do anything for themselves, and some of them really do deserve this kind of welfare. Not many, but, a few....

 

Most of them will still be covered by their states Medicaid program. They would be the ones cutting off the States Medicaid insured if that happens. The Democrat states that were quick to expand Medicaid would have to either cut them off OR raise taxes on the working stiffs, either way the (D)'s lose.

 

I dunno, do like I did growing old, GET A JOB WITH INSURANCE

 

I am guessing you want more autocratic power in distribution of healthcare, right?

Well, we expanded government control with Obamacare and its strangling small businesses; people are losing jobs, losing hours. The welfare of the public is worse off because of the tax & spend method.

As well intentioned liberal programs may be, they are reaching undesirable results. It's time to dismantle them and rely on smart/effective regulation that relies on fair/competitive private markets.

The excess waste liberal programs have bestowed, when cut, can pay for long-term investments in infrastructure, manufacturing, and military

These projects will put people to work, stimulating not only top-down but bottom-up flow of currency. These are people who may be without a job now, disenfranchised by a stagnate and inattentive administration relying on inefficient handouts of the government to sustain his well-being. These same people will afford healthcare, thus expanding our pool of insured.

This is why the stock market is climbing, there is a sense of optimism in the air, to liberal dismay. The human psyche while powerful, is delicate, when people feel empowered, that is when they expand and innovate.

 

so why were republicans trashing the economy for the last 8 years trying to push down that psyche? any time good news came out, republicans were there to try and downplay it

 

There wasn't anything to be excited about. The cat was out of the bag, Obama was an anti-growth president from day one.

Look at Hillary, talking about putting people out of work. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

Now you can watch a real economy in motion. It will be good for all Americans.

 

Baloney. The actual unemployment is at least 10%. The jobs that have been created are at fast food windows.

No matter how much employer insurance plans are subsidized (even if thats remotely true), they're still subsidized 100% less than our welfare state.

Wage slaves huh? I say we have too many Americans who are couch slaves.

As far as Obamacare, your numbers are as much of a lie as the smoke and mirrors used in determining unemployment.

Here's the truth.

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2014/11/the-truth-behind-obamacare-numbers

 

The only ones that jacked up premiums were the health care corporations.
That's capitalism for you.
Those money grubbers are the ones out of control.
I still have about 4 more years to work before retiring and jumping on the Medicare bandwagon.
Am I worried.....................No.
And why is that..........................Well, cause Mr. Trump is going to make everything great again.
So, no worries.

 

What good news?

 

ACA, greatest scam every on Americans! All it managed to do was redistribute healthcare to Obama's jobless and under employed and made conventional plans so expensive most people never get past OOP qualifier before insurance companies have to pay a dime!

Beside the ACA is collapsing, unless something is done those people going thru exchanges are not going to have but a couple choices, and we all know what happens with fewer choices, right? The Republicans "WARNED" this was going to happen and as we have come to realize Obama "Must" have it Obama's way even at the cost of failure regardless of whoever that might hurt!