POLL: Require most women in the military to be on birth control?

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by JakeJ, Dec 17, 2016.

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Require most females in the military to be on birth control?

  1. Yes, if there are reasonable exceptions

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  2. No, never.

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  3. Maybe for critical, combat or highly trained duties

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  4. IDK/Other

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The military requires active personnel to receive injections and medical procedures, whether the individual likes it or not. In the case of women, women would be informed of the strong likelihood she will be required to be on birth control (which is good for months to a couple of years per administration - so not a matter of taking a daily pill) prior to signing up and taking the oath - so then this requirement was consented to.

    This would eliminate the option of becoming pregnant to get out of the service (some branches) or easier assignment plsu bypassing PT standards. In some roles in the military, particularly if a career female, I could see exceptions/waivers being allowed. But for most it would be required. I think this should be done. If a male contraceptive is developed, this also could apply to males, though probably not for as many duty areas.

    Do you agree or disagee with the military being able to and actually requiring some women in the military to be on birth control, provided there are reasonable exceptions?
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Curious how there are those who give as reason women should not be in the military including pregnancy potential - but unwilling to comment on this. Maybe some men sense a need to preserve their reasons women shouldn't be in the military?
     
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    Don't want women in organic brothels knocked up.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In your messages you display extreme contempt of women.
     
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    I would be totally against it unless military males would also be required to take drugs that would stop sperm production. That's fair.
     
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    Gender identity rubbish aside, with very few exceptions, women are not the equals of men. They have only 60% the upper body strength of men, and are less robust. They are more of a liability than an asset in modern dismounted infantry combat.

    Even on ships, they have a non-deployment rate 4 times higher than men. It isn't fair to a unit when a female member gets pregnant and gets office and light duty. I don't think it is right for a mom to be away from her young children for 6 months on deployments.

    I think there should be righteous equality in all branches in the military, and therefore there should be only one PT test using the current standard for males and doing away with female standards. It's called equal work for equal pay. This would also see thousands of less fit females leave the military and lower the fitness scores of almost all the rest.
     
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    It is not the same since sperm production doesn't require males to leave active service for months to not be in duty areas for well over a year - or longer.

    The only legitimate objection in my opinion to women in combat roles plus some others is that it is not rare for women to get pregnant to get of active duty - while still be paid - and then very possibly all spent on training lost as well if her term of duty runs out. If she calculates it correctly, once a female passes basic, she could use two pregnancies not have to to have to serve in any significant role plus the paid leave until her term of service expires - and plus VA benefits during and after.

    This is not rare. We know a female is doing exactly that and planned before she enlisted. Immediately after completing basic training, she became pregnant. This took her off nearly all duties - and then paid maternity leave for months after birth. During pregnancy and for many months after she will not have to do any PT training nor meet any standards. She is currently on paid maternity leave and plans to get pregnant again before she would have to return to PT training and standards - which would then complete her 4 year enlistment. Completely calculated, other than the few weeks of basic training she not only has never been available for real duty, the military is paying her anyway, plus the military picks up all medical expenses - and then some benefits after her enlistment expires.

    Simply, she understood the system. She wanted to start a family - and decided she would have the military pay for it plus pay her to basically stay at home and when not to have anything difficult to do - plus not having to do any PT training nor meet any physical standards - and definitely no foreign deployment or combat situations.

    Again, more and more women have figured this out. It is a particular problem for the Navy as a way to get off a ship. Of course, she doesn't have to carry a pregnancy full term via abortion. So for branches of the military that remove women who are pregnant from the military, it is way women can get out of their service contract that is available to no men. Just get pregnant. Doesn't mean she has to have the baby.

    For branches that do not put women out of the military for pregnancy (such as Air Force), a woman also can then use abortions and repeated pregnancies with months later abortions to never be in active duty - while still being paid.
     

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