The incredible discrimination against whites in college admissions

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  1. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    According to the article, based on SAT scores, whites should be 72.46% of college students at the top 20 universities based on SAT; 0.67% should be black.

    In reality, whites are 44.35% and blacks 5.85% of admitted students. Blacks are around 9 times over-represented than their SAT scores would account. The data in fact also shows Asians are over represented compared to whites based on SAT scores.

    I find these numbers incredible to understand how discriminatory our education system is against whites. Further, attempts to assess student acceptance that supposedly don't include race such as the holistic approach are just as discriminatory.

    Why is anti-white discrimination tolerated?

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/17/affirmative-action/
     
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    I wouldn't call it discrimination against whites it's more like giving non-whites the hand up they need to compete.
     
  3. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    The data is literally showing you whites are discriminated. If non-whites need a hand up then by that fact alone they can't compete.

    Additionally, as the article points out, pitting low IQ blacks against high IQ whites at elite schools lowers their class rank.
     
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    Do you really think education is what makes people successful?
     
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    SAT scores may not be the only criteria schools use for admittance. You may be placing too heavy a weight on SAT scores.
     
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    There's little difference between students after controlling for sat scores according to the cited sources.

    And that's quite incredible to believe it would account for 9x difference for blacks.
     
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    The part where it claims there is little difference after controlling for scores is a link to a "stereotype threat" writeup and that writeup contained neither data nor anything verifiable relating to SAT scores and performance.

    Anyway, is there a better source? This author is misleading. He even tries to separate Jews from whites to give the appearance of discrimination against whites as if Jews aren't part of the white group. He does a few other tricks and so I wonder about a better source for this topic.
     
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    The point about Jews is a second point of the article in which he shows Jews are probably favored in university admissions, as well.

    I'm not aware of SAT scores of Jews or their application numbers so can't confirm if they are in fact favored.

    The holistic method looks at background in addition to merit and shows blacks with the same economic background and SAT scores as whites are more likely to be admitted than whites.
     
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    Interestingly, the SAT scores for Blacks over-predict their performance in college.
     
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    College admissions should not consider race a factor by only using SAT scores as a benchmark. It's a continuation of the anti-Semitic admission policy in the pre-war era, by which Jewish students were systemically excluded for being too smart. Especially Hispanics should not get bonus points, as over 30% of them are ethnically white. Hispanics are going to become the majority in some states and Hispanics don't have slave ancestry, for which some African Americans may deserve special treatment.
     
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    The writer was saying that by removing the Jews from the equation, we could see that whites are truly discriminated against. It's an odd thing to say when Jews are part of the so-called white group. He's attempting to manipulate the reader, but it just sounds crazy.

    Also, the most important number missing in the link is the actual amount of applicants by race. This number is important because it provides perspective. For example, one black person getting into an elite school out of 20 applicants will give you 5% admittance rate. But then, the writer would have been making too big a fuss over one black person and comparing that tiny number to the scores of non-blacks getting into elite schools. I believe the author omits the counts because he is attempting to mislead the reader.
     
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    Whites are already discriminated against; the data and the holistic information link show whites are the only group based on SAT scores, general population and both to be underrepresented at the top 20 universities.

    Unlike gentile Europeans, Jews are seemingly overrepresented based on merit and definitely overrepresented based on population.

    The holistic approach was shown to discriminate against whites in favor of blacks during the review process for candidates who were placed in a grey area.
     
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    Just quit the tap dance and go to racial quotas.
     
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    The author could *NOT* demonstrate such a thing. For one thing, several of the colleges listed in the writeup are located in states where Affirmative Action is banned:

    Stanford -California
    Cal Tech -California
    Harvey Mudd -California
    Pomona -California

    Rice university -Texas

    Dartmouth College - New Hampshire (banned considerations based on race)​

    Anyway the pool of applicants will let us know what is really going on. I find it difficult to believe that racial minorities are supplanting whites or even favored especially since they make up a tiny pool of applicants in the first place.

    Seriously, is there not a better source for the claims made in the OP???? The author you linked to didn't even cross reference which schools accepted AA so he could make the appropriate adjustments.
     
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    It was mentioned in the article that AA is unlawful in California, but blacks were still given preferential treatment. The bottom line is that only whites are less likely to be accepted by colleges than any other race.
     
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    We have to agree to disagree on this. I just can't for the life of me see black students make up less than 6% of elite schools' student body and think they are favored. If a school is going out of their way to select certain students for whatever reason, even after the banning of Affirmative Action, then it's obviously not to discriminate against whites as evidenced by the black tiny-to-no representation in elite schools.

    I also find it hard to believe that even though the author admits Asians and Jews are worthy of being admitted to elite schools, he still complains about discrimination against whites.

    His attempt to separate Jews away from the white group is retarded and insulting. He expects the reader to be so dumb that we see whites as this discriminated group after removing a successful white ethnic group from the equation. This would be like less successful Asian groups complaining that Asians are discriminated and we could see it once we control for the more successful East Asians.

    Ultimately, what the author is looking for is favoritism for non-Jewish whites instead of allowing private institutions their perogative to select their students. The author is a major crybaby and his whole argument is complete trash.

    Just my 2.
     
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    It's not like the old days. A white guy has to be more exceptional to get anywhere in life. This is especially true with these elite private schools which aren't looking for the top SATs alone.
     
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    These kinds of whines are always hard to take seriously. After all, whites (particularly white men) have been given singularly preferential treatment in EVERY area of life, since the founding of this great country. So, suck it up, and try to remember this important childhood lesson: it’s nice to share.

    It won’t kill you to allow a few of the folks who have been denied access to most of the life changing opportunities this great country has to offer, the chance to share in a bit of America’s bounty. Really. Isn’t it time? After all, they are Americans, too.

    Finally, I'll answer your last question with a question of my own: Why, during the entire 250 odd years of America's history, was so much discrimination against non-whites (especially blacks), tolerated? Indeed, discrimination against non-whites was not only tolerated, it was widely fostered.
     
  19. rayznack

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    Blacks have black countries to live in. If it weren't for whites uplifting blacks then blacks in the US would be in Africa with no hope of a modern lifestyle.

    In exchange for the privilege of blacks living amongst whites, whites are discriminated in their own nations they built and others are benefitting from.

    Whites do not benefit from having blacks in white majority countries, but blacks benefit tremendously from living in white majority nations.

    Why should whites be discriminated in their own countries when they'd never have similar rights in black or brown nations that blacks and browns have here and when whites do not benefit from black diversity?
     

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