4 Years From Now, Will You Be Better Off?

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Do You believe you will be better off in 4 years?

  1. Yes I expect to be better off in 4 years

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  2. No, I do not expect to be better off in 4 years

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reagan or his writers had some memorable lines.
    "Are You Better Off Than You Were 4 Years Ago?"​
    A most significant line.

    Moi retired on a private disability policy in the mid nineties.
    As a General Practice physician and retiree I have experienced a consistent loss of "better off" from Bill Clinton, through Bush, Jr. and continuing through Obama.
    Consider HillaryCare under President Bill, health care network requirements closed down independent, free standing or single doctor town practices because of "health care networks". And the customer/patient still pays 100 pennies on the dollar while health care delivery people, doctors, nurses, therapist take a beating.
    Funds are not simply disappearing or being fairly spent - but diverted most legally to . . . . oh I don't know, maybe Directors of a Health Care insurance company? Not even stock holders.

    As a retiree I see the costs of manufactured food stuffs, milk, beef & lamb going up.
    Pork seems stable like chicken.
    Good quality fresh fruit and veggies, definitely up. Are the Japanese getting it all?
    In California one may find a fresh Foster's Farms Chicken for $0.69/pound on sale.

    In 4 years it is my expectation the answer to, "Are You Better Off Than You Were 4 Years Ago?
    will be a most, unmitigated "yes".
    Not just yes for the 1%. Not just yes for the Wall Street people lacking Main St. representation.

    If not via Trump policies, than via Trump bravado, similar to Reagan. Basically, inspiring.

    Please remember, the question is not whether you like or dislike Trump but rather whether you believe you will be better off than you were through The Clinton Recovery, The Bush, Jr. Meltdown & Recovery, The Obama Recovery. Thank you.



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  2. Battle3

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    I hope things will improve over the next 4 years, the chance for improvement is significantly better than if Hilary or Bernie or Jeb! or Kasich etc was going into the White House.

    But I have doubts. Congress has not changed - all those RINO's and "progressives" and professional politicians are still there, and they will do all they can to protect their power. The government bureaucrats are still there, and they will fight every reduction in government. The judiciary is still full of activists who want to tell everyone else how to live.

    And the "progressives" are still around and will do everything - legal and illegal, harmful to the nation or not - to make Trump fail. To "progressives" its better the nation collapse then "progressivism" be discarded - and if Trump succeeds then "progressivism" is over.

    Righting this ship will be difficult with everyone working together, its much worse when you are surrounded by back stabbers and traitors. Trump has a tough job.

    On top of it all I suspect in the next 2 years there will be a recession (pretending the last one actually ended and there was a "recovery"). The "progressives" and Fed and Treasury have so ruined the economy that I don't see a painless way out. Even if Trump is wildly successful, the stock bubble cannot be filled with real value, when it pops it will be astounding.

    The only route to success is if all the Trump supporters - and they outnumber the "progressives" - keep fighting and speaking and showing up. But that's going to be tough.
     
  3. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those who stand in Trump's way will get the Truman effect.
    Go over the heads of Congress, to the people.
    More likely with Trump than any other candidate.

    I remember how Ted Kennedy led a Democratic Senate to oppose President Jimmy Carter.
    And Carter was too nice a guy to Truman them. While LBJ could twist arms on his own.


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    Yes I expect to but it has zero to do with Washington DC
     
  5. Nordic Democrat

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    Most people won't be better off, no matter who is elected. Only the millionaires and billionaires will see tangible benefit.
     
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    It's likely the country as a whole will be better off four years from now, I sure hope so.

    But I live in California where 2/3 of the population are so out of step with the rest of America that it's very likely that California will be worse off four years from now.

    It's not how the 2/3 in California voted last month in the general election for President but how the 2/3 voted on the local and state level. I think it's gone pass from being low information to being really stupid.

    California needs a "Make California Great Again" movement.
     
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    Crap, are you saying four more years of Obama policies and RINO's and progressives in Congress not upholding the oath of office they took while ignoring Main Street and only representing Wall Street ? That sucks.
     
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    If we're going strictly by taxes, no, I won't be better off.
     
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    My life and well being is in my hands. I'll be better off no matter who the president is.
     
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    Nope, I'm saying that both parties are shills for wealthy elites and corporate interests.
     
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    I concur.
     
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    If you hate CA why don't you move to a state you like more?

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    See, we DO agree on something. ;)
     
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    I own to much property in California and if I surrender to the socialist in Sacramento how can we make California great again ?
     
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    Making CA conservative will be like making AL left, won't ever happen. Might as well sell the property and move somewhere you want to be.
     
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    Most of my property and water rights are in a trust, I only own 25%.

    The socialist in Sacramento want to take away my water rights and abolish Prop 13 so they can tax me to the point where I would be unable to pay my property taxes and take my property from me.
     
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    I presume you're in Fresno or somewhere near? Brown isn't a socialist, if he was he would not allow fracking on land prone to earthquakes. He's a neo liberal. I'll research more into the water issue.
     
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    sounds like the state did well for your parents....
     
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    I live in SoCal.

    My four water rights are in Los Angeles County and San Bernardino County.

    The oldest water rights dates back to the 1850's and the newest the 1870's.

    I have a friend who owns a ranch in Santa Barbra County and his water rights date back to California Spanish era and California tried to put a meter on his pump. It's his freaking water not California's water.

    "Moonbeam" Jerry Brown is a bigot and a classic loon.

    Back when Jerry Brown first became Governor in 1975 California was great. California was # 1 in just about everything from having the best public schools in America, the best roads and highways even California's junior colleges (community colleges) were free. Not any more. By the time loony Brown left office in 1982 California was in a decline, a spiral spin.
     
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    It was the Reagan years.
     
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    you mean Arnold did not make CA great again?

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    yes, the Reagan and Clinton years were some good ones
     
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    Oh I see, I lived in the central valley doing an AmeriCorps year and it seemed the debate was the wealthy farmers were hogging all the water, while the farmers with no rights crops were dying, especially in the drought. Not sure about so-cal though.

    That doesn't make sense to me, if you're a conservative why do you want public schools, roads and highways, or tax funded college? Wouldn't you be proud of Brown for destroying them?
     
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    Arnold was part of the Kennedy klan, he was a RINO. I didn't vote for Arnold, I voted for that conservative guy, Tom McClintock.

    Most of the worlds problems today can be traced back to the Clinton administration.
     
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    disagree, much is due to republicans and their push for cheap foreign labor and huge tax cuts for the rich
     
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    Funny... what Moonbeam Brown's father helped create, Edmond G. Brown, his son helped to destroy it.

    In my life time I would say Edmond G. Brown was California's best Governor and Edmond G. Brown was a Democrat. Governor's Reagan and Pete Wilson were pretty good Governors.

    I watched California's population almost quadruple from 10 million to 38 million. There's enough water in California but not for 38 million people. And Jerry Brown and the progressive radicals in Sacramento still have the welcome mat out at the California /Mexican border.
     
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    Disagree, much is due to Democrats and their push for unskilled, uneducated, undocumented Democrats and taxing everyone and every thing.
     

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