Which countries should the UN demand return land taken by military conquest?

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Which countries should the UN demand return land taken by military conquest?

  1. The United States

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  2. The United Kingdom

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  3. Canada

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. Russia

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  5. China

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  6. France

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  7. Israel

    4 vote(s)
    30.8%
  8. Germany

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  9. Iran

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  10. Others

    6 vote(s)
    46.2%
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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As the UN demands Israel give back land it took in military conquest after being attacked, for which 99.9+% of the region is Muslim by military conquest and 0.1%- is Jewish by military conquest, and virtually every country has land it took by military conquest, which countries should give the land back?

    Or Russia and Crimea. Why ONLY Israel and Crimea?

    Multiple choice poll.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Maybe start with taking back Turtle Bay from the UN.
     
  3. notme

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    You're making zero sense. Yeah of course the muslims had their military conquest, but the Indonesian muslims are the people of the land since ever. Same with Palestinians. They are the people who lived there as far as people are able to look back into history, like it or not. And yes you can look it up.

    These days we got something like the Geneva Conventions. It has a problem with colonizing and ethnic cleansing, according to article 49. Now all the countries have agreed on this. Yet only Israel violates it. That is the basis of why Israel has to give back that land. The question is more, do you agree with article 49, and say ethnic cleansing and colonizing is wrong, or do you rather look the other way when Jews do that?
     
  4. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US should return its land of course it's a classic no brainer. Who else stole an entire continent from peaceful natives which are now reduced to running casinos and selling tax free cigarettes?
     
  5. ziggyfish

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    You missed the obvious choice in this poll.

    None. The UN should be dis-assembled as it has served its purpose, and grown to big.
     
  6. ziggyfish

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    From Wiki:

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    The Palestine region or parts of it have been controlled by numerous different peoples and regional powers, including the Canaanites, Amorites,[2] Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, different dynasties of the Early Muslim period (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), Crusaders, Late Muslim dynasties (Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottoman Turks), the British, Jordanians (1948–1967, on the "West Bank") and Egyptians (in Gaza), and modern Israelis and Palestinians. Other terms for the same area include Canaan, Zion, the Land of Israel, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin, Outremer, and the Holy Land.
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    So if we were to follow the rule, that the land should go back to the orginal owners, is should be Israelites (i.e Modern Israel).

    What I find amazing about this, is that the Palestinians are losing the battle so bad, that they are now turning to politics to try and win the war.
     
  7. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of the above. The UN is what it can only be - a strongarm for the strong over the weak. The solution offered by autocrats is always to centralize power.
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    So...the West Bank should be returned to Jordan?
     
  9. Genius

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    The UN should be put out to pasture. They've done far more harm than good.
     
  10. notme

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    From wiki

    Etymology of Palestine:
    From Latin Palaestīna ‎(“Roman province of Palestine”), from Ancient Greek Παλαιστίνη ‎(Palaistínē, “Philistia and the surrounding region”), from Hebrew פְּלֶשֶׁת ‎(p'léshet, “Philistia, land of the Philistines”)

    also:
    From the conquest down to the 11th century, half of the world's Christians lived under the new Muslim order and there was no attempt for that period to convert them.[132] Over time, nonetheless, much of the existing population of Palestine was Arabized and gradually converted to Islam.[36] Arab populations had existed in Palestine prior to the conquest, and some of these local Arab tribes and Bedouin fought as allies of Byzantium in resisting the invasion, which the archaeological evidence indicates was a 'peaceful conquest'.

    So how does that apply to Jews with last name likes (Yuli-Yoel) Edelstein or (Ariel) Scheinermann (as known as Ariel Sharon)? Them aint no Israelites, obviously.

    Yeah... the UNSC sure showed them,...
    oh wait.
     
  11. notme

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    You think Palestinians do not have the right of self determination while others do?
     
  12. Ole Ole

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    I vote in last alternatives really nobody of them in upod. South Sudan or Vietnam if I understand scum country with Question.
     
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    U.K. are top 10 in world military list in my top list at least. :eekeyes:
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    The thread is about the UN demanding the return of territory taken by military conquest. Do you believe that the West Bank should be returned to Jordan?
     
  15. Greataxe

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    I say all the Muslim nations need to give their nations back to Christians, and other groups of non-Christians they've killed in the past.
     
  16. ziggyfish

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    All of which happened after the Israelites. So yeah still Israel's territory.

    It was by no means peaceful. if you were not a Muslim, you were killed as is prescribed in the Koran:

    It actually seems to me that this is a temper tantrum by Islam because the Jews successfully fought back and defeated many territories of the Ottoman Empire.

    A lot of Muslims convert to Christianity.
     
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    Definition of Philistines:

    A person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts.




    So even the word Palestine tells us that it was a movement aimed at being hostile to the previous owners of the land (in this case it was Isreal).
     
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    It’s not really about the UN generically demanding nations return land won by military conquest, it’s about them (as part of the wider international community) seeking the best peaceful resolution to complex and long running disputes. I suspect there are all sorts of peace deals managed by the UN that involved establishing permanent borders different to the final military front line or political agreements that sought to eliminate the military divisions entirely.

    Clearly the Israel/Palestine issue is a unique one which will require unique answers to reach any kind of peaceful conclusion. The two state solution is one such proposal that does involve Israel giving up land it currently holds, though it’s not really just giving it back to who they won it from.

    It’s odd you mention Russia and Crimea here since Russia flatly denies taking any military action in recent Ukraine conflict and holds that the recent move of Crimea to Russia was an entirely democratic process at the behest of the Crimean people.
     
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    At least all named countries and much more ... but the core question is not given:

    How far should be go back in history here?
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    Good question. The US won Puerto Rico in a war and it's been governed by the US since 1898. Should the US return Puerto Rico to Spain or grant it independence?
     
  21. Mandelus

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    And to make it deeper ... the USA won independence out of a war, so becoming again a colony of the UK ... and even then more earlier ... giving back the country to the natives?
     
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    Waiting for the UN to tell the US it needs to give Puerto Rico back to Spain.
     
  23. Lil Mike

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    To be fair, if we're going back the the Revolutionary War, Britain should only get back the original 13 colonies, but if we're going back that far, I think we can safely dismiss the idea of Palestinian statehood.
     
  24. notme

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    I believe in the right of self determination. I thought I made that rather clear.
    And you avoiding it, seems you believe Palestinians are lesser people with lesser rights.
    Or are you going to redeem yourself?
     
  25. notme

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    nope.
    My source says that the Palestinians integrated into Arab culture.

    Nope. My source says so. It people gradually converted to Muslims and integrated into Arab culture.

    And verse verse 2:192 and 2:193 says when the opponent stops fighting, than you must stop as well. Verse 5:22 "Whoever kills a soul unless it be for murder or sowing discord in the land it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity" and "whoever saves a person is as though he has saved all of humanity.". Seems you're just cherry picking what a hater likes to hate.

    The Ottoman Empire ended 50 years before the Jews ethnic cleansed their country.

    What has that to do with surnames like Edelstein and Scheinermann?
    Them are no Israelites. That sounds exceptionally German.
     

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