The war in Yemen.

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  1. Brett Nortje

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    It has been a while now that the rebels are fighting the leaders about power. they would use the religious aspect as an excuse for the killing of people and 'bringing in of justice,' of course. they have joined ranks with i.s.i.s. and seek the destruction of ht establishment in yemen, and, they will try to gain power with fighting for the rights of 'their people' trying to convince everybody that they have their best interests in mind, of course.

    Now, if they were to promise them an election, if they have a cease fire, and, they hand their weapons in, they could win without any more bullets being shot. if they think that they have made a good impression on the people, they will surely win the election, but;

    They know full well they will not win the election, as the majority is with the state, yes? the state has lawfully produced for the people, and, with the recent state of things, the state of yemen will flourish for the short term at least. i have heard of massive investments going anywhere where there is 'human capital,' building factories and other places of work to supply jobs, so there will be no more poverty and empty stomachs.

    So, they will not have peace and they will not win the elections - how do they hope to win the war? they are simply fighting if they have not won the people over, as there will be massive rejection and protests when they take over, as, they have not the know how of how to run a country, and, will squabble about who gets what for months to come after the 'conquest of yemen.'

    As far as i.s.i.s. is concerned, they just want to kill people, as far as i can tell. joining with them is like fighting the whole world. what are they hoping for, by the way?
     
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    You are being naïve .. Yemen is awash in weapons, their oil industry is in the tank, over 500 factories had closed 3 years ago.... and Al Qaeda, Al Shaabab, ISIS and Al Houthis have descended on Yemen.

    The Saudis have propped Yemen up for decades in healthcare, education, gasoline, clean water and food.. to NO avail.

    There is no government in Yemen..

    The Saudis built a security fence in 2001 and still can't keep the terrorists from crossing the border into Asir.
     
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    Saudi gets what they pay for. No sympathy here.
     
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    Yemen use to be Obama's only achievement, his legacy. Now Obama has no achievements.
     
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    Pay for? I don't know what you mean. Iran is funding the al Houthis and Maliki is sitting in Tehran trashing the Saudis, the Kurds and Israel.
     
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    Conflicts have gone on in that country since time immemorial.
    But blame Obama for all that since he is responsible for all evil since the beginning of time.
     
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    Obama did claim that Yemen was his biggest achievement until Obama in collusion with the Muslim Brotherhood supported the Arab Spring. From that day on it was throwing allies under the bus, regime changes, red lines in the sand and arming Al Qaeda, ISIS and issuing visas to radical Islamist and the Middle East is a complete basket case today.
     
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    It's a saying. Much like you reap what you sow.
     
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    Bush and Arab Spring:





    https://thinkprogress.org/condi-ric...we-had-a-role-in-that-e487f10df014#.jhempoiiy




    Reagan and al-Qaeda/Taliban:



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    McCain and ISIS:


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    All three were brought to you by Republicans.

    But to the forum right wingers it is only politically correct to say BLAME OBAMA!
     
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    Well, that's ridiculous on its face. Saudi Arabia has been very good to Yemen and have currently taken in a million Yemeni refugees... and they certainly didn't cause AQ or ISIS, or al Houthis to destroy Yemen's stability.

    - - - Updated - - -

    That's not al Baghdadi in the second photo with McCain.
     
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    Who knows. The Saudis have been involved in many terrorist activities. Don't trust them for one second. Been proven they were involved in 9/11.
     
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    Yemen is a place that is influenced by many outside factors, from the west to the sub continent, it seems all are invested in this area, yet nobody needs the area. this is a case of welfare, where everybody has sent emissary yet nobody has put their full weight behind it. this is quite a good condition for rebellion with i.s.i.s. and other factions, where they are so multi faceted, the whole place was a mess before the war began.

    Once more, i must ask them what they are fighting for? is it control of yemen? is it just another place to occupy, or, is it a strategic place - the whole of yemen is at war, basically, and the only way out seems to be to fight.

    Now, i have an idea; why not divide yemen for the sake of ending the war? if they were to have a peace deal, where yemen was to be divided up into two sides, thenthere would be peace and no further loss of life, theoretically, and i.s.i.s. could settle there - what would that mean? as soon as you combine real people with militants, they share a life, yes? this means that they will probably debate and discuss things instead of merely bombing each other. this follows;

    As the militants settle down, they will begin to seek love, yes? with that, the war will be over, and they will rush into the 'life of plenty' where they will be able to rest and seek employment, and, service the people they have. they will look to better their image, as they are like a new sect of shai or the like, and, will seek recognition too. what is wrong with letting them operate, they will come to know rest, they will come to know peace, and they remember life. this is a small price to pay to have the whole region at peace, for now, while they recover from this horrible life of bullets and stuff, yes? let them taste that for a week, and they will never pick up a weapon again, of course. this could be a city state or such, or, a new market, yes?
     
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    Lets do it by the numbers shall we ?

    # 1: THINK PROGRESS :roflol:

    Think Progress practices cultural-marxism and revisionist history. A lot of fake news and fake history.

    # 2: Reagan and the Taliban

    Revisionist history, there was no Taliban back in 1985, there was the Cold War and one of the battles that was fought during the Cold War took place in Afghanistan, the Soviet Union vs. the mujahideen an American ally at the time. And it was a liberal Democrat who was behind arming the mujahideen, Rep. Charlie Wilson ( D )

    You need to brush up on your history.

    #3: McCain and ISIS.

    Why not Hillary and ISIS or Obama and ISIS. All helped arm Al Qaeda and ISIS.

    McCain is a neocon a liberal a RINO. McCain just supported Obama arming Al Qaeda and ISIS.

    # 4: Obama Jump-Started Arab Spring

     
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    Think Progress has FAR more credibility than Fox.

    Mujahideen evolved into an enemy of the USA. It got as far as it did with the money and blessings of your hero Reagan.

    McCain is a Republican. If he is an enemy of the USA then it is because of his party affiliation.

    Bush claimed credit for starting the Arab Spring.
     
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    Didn't see any e-mails published by Wikileaks exposing the Fox News Chanel being corrupt and in collusion with the DNC or the Hillary camp. Even Fox News tried to take down Trump.




    It was CIA operative Avrakotos along with Houston liberal socialite, Joanne Herring who approached liberal Congressman, Charlie Wilson ( Tx-D ) to influence liberals in Congress to arm the Mujahideen. Reagan was kinda busy at the time dealing with the Boland Amendment and trying to stop Communist expansion in Latin America. It was the Democrats in Congress who armed the Mujahideen.

    What would become the Taliban was founded by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) during 1994.

    The Arab Spring began in 2011. Sounds like you might allowed yourself to be indoctrinated in cultural-marxism revisionist history. That can happen any time you go to a website with George Soros connections like Media Matters, Move On, Think Progress, etc.





    McCain could run as a Democrat or as a Republican. McCain is a neoconservative, a liberal. Neocons use to be the liberal base of the Democrat party. Like all liberals, they like using the U.S. military for nation building. McCain's best friends are the Clinton's. All are war mongers.
     
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    Cholera outbreak in Yemen...
    :eek:
    Cholera outbreak in war-ravaged Yemen kills 115
    Tuesday 16th May, 2017 - A cholera outbreak in Yemen has killed 115 people over the past two weeks, the UN humanitarian coordinator in the country says.
     
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    the most inept foreign policy President in our history; that's if you assume he wasn't being inept on purpose; given his mentality, I think he trashed it all on purpose.
     
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    Obama was temporarily hopeful that Yemen had quieted down. What do you think he could have done with the al Houthis or the AQ in the south?
     
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    His foreign policy has clearly aided Iran's aims; even his arming ISIS forwards that goal, by making them stronger he makes the Sunnis look like the problem versus Shia..
     
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    The al Houthis have been a critical threat since 2008.. They are firing Russian made Missiles into Arabia.. and several ships hauling weapons to Yemen have been intercepted.
     
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    We have many repeat threads and topics on this forum so that you can click on search to see that all of your other points have been easily refuted by me on previous occasions.

    As for Arab Spring, see: https://thinkprogress.org/cheney-credits-iraq-war-for-helping-to-start-arab-spring-a6a106d18d5b

    Right wingers applauded traitor Bush as well but suddenly stopped when it blew up in their faces.
     
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    Obama most inept?

    Right wing hero Bush started two needless wars, caused instability in the Middle East which, in turn, caused more war there, and caused the USA to be the most hated nation in the world. Traitor Bush's regime was the absolute worse in history. Time will tell whether Donald Dump's regime will be worse.
     
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    Obama was in collusion with the Muslim Brotherhood was he not ?
     
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    People always forget what led to the war in Iraq:
    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998. [​IMG]

    "Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
    President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    "Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century."
    Sen. Joe Biden (D, DE), Feb. 12, 1998 [​IMG]
    "It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
    Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998 [​IMG]
    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998. [​IMG]
    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998. [​IMG]
    "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998. [​IMG]
    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998. [​IMG]
    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999. [​IMG]
     
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    Every US president since Eisenhower acknowledged the MB and hoped to use them for intel and support in the Arab world.
     
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