The NRA has blocked gun violence research for 20 years

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    "The NRA has blocked gun violence research for 20 years. Let's end its stranglehold on science....

    "Infuriated by CDC-funded research suggesting that having firearms in the home sharply increased the risks of homicide, the NRA goaded Congress in 1996 into stripping the injury center’s funding for gun violence research – $2.6 million...."
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gun-research-funding-20160614-snap-story.html

    History is repeating itself. The NRA uses its political power to silence people just as the Catholic Church did in the middle ages to scientists who wanted to talk about what they saw when they looked through their telescopes. They are afraid of the truth. It's truly disturbing that a special interest group has so much influence over the people's elected representatives that it manages to thwart the US Constitution. Like Trump says, "government should serve the people – not the donors, and not the special interests."
     
  2. AnnaNoblesse

    AnnaNoblesse New Member

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    Hey now no need to bash Catholics. The middle ages was long ago. I was raised Catholic and they're good people.

    Now to your OP. I am very pro second amendment and I own two rifles and I know how to use them. However, I can't stand the NRA! They are an extremist organization that does a lot of harm to the gun rights cause. They polarize people with their nonsense studies and stupid slogans.

    So while I have not investigated the truthfulness of the article you linked, my gut tells me it's true because of the crummy reputation of the NRA.
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    uh that's not true. CONGRESS blocked using tax dollars to allow a government entity that has no real expertise in criminology of law enforcement issues from creating propaganda designed to push gun bans.

    why should tax dollars be used to attack our rights

    why would a doctor spend his time trying to ban guns than finding a cure for antibiotic resistant bacteria? should the FBI do a study on whether gay sex should be curtailed to stop the spread of STDs?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsi...nt-backed-gun-violence-research/#6779d64d67a3

    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.

    Ten senators who strongly supported the CDC gun research funding ban put their reasons in writing: “This research is designed to, and is used to, promote a campaign to reduce lawful firearms ownership in America… Funding redundant research initiatives, particularly those which are driven by a social-policy agenda, simply does not make sense.”


    http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/15/why-congress-cut-the-cdcs-gun-research-budget/


    In the late ’80s and early ’90s, the CDC was openly biased in opposing gun rights. CDC official and research head Patrick O’Carroll stated in a 1989 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, “We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths.” This sounds more like activist rhetoric than it does scientific research, as O’Carroll effectively set out with the goal of confirmation bias, saying “We will prove it,” and not the scientific objectiveness of asking “Does it?”
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    real gun rights advocates complain about the NRA being TOO willing to compromise and TOO WILLING to support politicians who really aren't pro guns. when someone claims to be VERY PRO SECOND AMENDMENT and claims the NRA is "too extreme" my BS meter redlines.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is so typical of the way government bureaucracies work. Apparently, according to your post, this study has already been done. But typically of the government mindset, if you fund something once, it must be funded forever.

    You could probably spend a few hours online and get all the info you need on the subject. The CDC would need millions of dollars every year, endlessly, to accomplish what you or I could accomplish in a few hours. As a taxpayer, no thank you.
     
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    And it should be blocked.

    Gun violence should be researched by social scientists, not real CDC scientists. The idea that the Center for Disease Control should be researching gun violence is asinine. It's clearly politically motivated. I want virologists researching viruses, not doing political "research that a couple of Huff post reporters could fake up.
     
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    Firearms are a contagious disease.
    Had to type that out just to see how stupid it really is.
    We the people should not encourage or pay for government that stupid.
    Some people have yet to notice we just voted stupid out.
     
  8. AnnaNoblesse

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    Good for your meter. But I stand by what I've said. I don't like the NRA. "From my cold dead hands" is something I'd expect to hear from ISIS, not the leaders of a organization meant to project my gun rights.
     
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    Then why does the DOJ continue to publish studies like "Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies (2010)" and "Victimization During Household Invasion"? Why do NGOs continue to publish studies on the subject? How did the CDC publish a recent study on gun violence in Delaware?

    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/01/05/wilmington-gun-violence-cdc

    Do you do any research before flying off the handle?
     
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    If it wasn't for the NRA and other gun groups you wouldn't own those two rifles.

    The last favorability rating was 58% so what is this "crummy reputation" you're talking about?
     
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    so you think they will protect your rights by rolling over and playing dead or agreeing to each set of "reasonable" restrictions that come along that are designed to get to the ultimate goal-gun bans.

    do you have any clue what the idiotic laws are in California?

    btw do you think that the Second amendment was a blanket ban on federal gun control or is basically anything that the Congress says it is? I am in the former group
     
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    I have seen leftists on this very board suggest it would be a good thing to kill gun owners and give them their wish.
     
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    Rush Limbaugh is a real scientist.
     
  14. AnnaNoblesse

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    The NRA wasn't around when the 2nd amendment was written and gun owners did just fine without it. I'm perfectly able to defend my gun rights without an extremist organization backing me up and making me look like a zealot.
     
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    yeah I have seen that too. And I laugh because they invariably want other people with guns to do that.

    sort of reminds me of one of Joey Ramone's best lines (53rd and Third)

    well come on man
    if you think you can
    I was a green beret in the vietnam
    no more of your fairy stories
    cuz I got my other worries :cool:
     
  16. AnnaNoblesse

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    Yea well that's an idiotic thing to say too. I'm not a fan of anti gun extremist either.
    My guns do just fine protecting me from crime. They don't go off killing people on their own because they're inanimate objects. And they don't need a giant talking eagle speaking for them.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    My BS detector is getting overheated. what exactly is the NRA extremist on

    and what diminution of your rights are you willing to accept

    back when the second amendment was written and until 1934, there was never any attempt by the federal government to pretend it can encroach on the rights of gun owners, nor did the federal government even claim it has any such power.

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    did you support the law just passed in Nevada that would require you to get government permission before you sell or give a gun to a friend or a family member.

    BTW what type of rifles do you own? are they the type of rifles that Clinton wanted to ban if she was elected or ones that are already now banned in California?
     
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    They probably didn't have Bloombergs trying to spend enough to get guns outlawed, California wasn't a gleam in the socialists eyes, and liberals can't exist in places where they aren't protected by strong people.

    The truth is in the 80's and 90's the Feinstein's and Clinton's very nearly succeeded in getting guns outlawed. In some places, like DC, they did manage to outlaw them.

    If it wasn't for the NRA, we most likely would have lost our 2A rights.

    Why do you consider the NRA an extremist organization?
     
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    I'm okay with reasonable gun restrictions. I don't buy the slippery slope argument.

    Guns in the wrong hands are very dangerous and if reasonable restrictions keep weapons out of the hands of dangerous people then I'm all for it. I'll have a lot easier time protecting myself using my gun, if the criminal climbing in my window doesn't also have a gun.
     
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    If it wasn't for the NRA there might be a more reasonable and responsible organization protecting gun rights. Instead we have the NRA which makes gun owners look like a bunch of crazy people.
     
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    You're not giving me anything to work with, other than an opinion.

    What is it about the NRA that makes us look crazy? What have that done that is unreasonable and irresponsible in your opinion?

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    What laws have kept criminals from killing other people, and what law (that we don't already have) would stop an example (of your choice) from having happened?
     
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    Love it or hate it, the NRA is probably the only reason you have your two rifles.

    I'm not overly fond of some of the NRA rhetoric but the insidious & deceptive Gun-banning crowd grinds out factually flawed "Studies", "stupid slogans" AND doesn't want you to have your two rifles or the ammunition they use.
     
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    Honestly I don't want to have a debate over the details of why I think they're unreasonable. For now we can just call it my opinion. Maybe another time I'll start a new thread about it. Maybe when I'm ready for the endless battle that will follow.


    Perhaps we need laws which target the makers of guns. Laws can't stop criminals from getting guns, however, most criminals can't make a gun. If there were less guns in existence then there would be less guns to fall into the wrong hands. Maybe guns should only be made to order. Maybe all guns should be smart guns. It's not easy to smuggle in guns from out of the country so these suggestions would cut down on the amount of guns in circulation. These suggestions won't prevent law abiding citizens from owning guns. Yet the NRA will fight suggestions such as these and any new creative ideas.
     
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    The second amendment is why I have my guns. The second amendment is strong enough to stand without an extremist organization backing it.


    I agree but there's not enough of them to overturn the second amendment.
    I do believe there should be an organization looking out for gun rights. Just not the NRA.

    If I had the time I'd start an organization called ARGO. Americans for Responsible Gun Ownership.

    We'd fight the zealots on both sides.
     
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    I'm not sure why it's a "battle" to examine the basis of your opinion on the NRA.

    Most of those suggestions would disarm everyone but the rich. I'd guess made to order firearms would be quite expensive.

    Gun smuggling is actually quite easy. Our own government was arming mexican drug cartels via Fast and Furious. The multiple attacks in France and the rest of Europe by ISIS militants used fully automatic weapons.

    Guns can even be printed now.

    Brady award-winning gun control advocate senator Leland Yee from California was a gun smuggler as well.

    Most gun control revolves around jailing guns and letting criminals free anyway.

    Let me know when you're ready then, I look forward to the discussion.
     

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