War in Africa.

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  1. Brett Nortje

    Brett Nortje Well-Known Member

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    Over the weekend there was another attack by boko harem in nigeria where five soldiers were killed. if this insurgency, that they claim is religious, but i doubt that at this point, continues, where will it stop? if they want the territory, so does the state. this means that if they ever get a territory, they will have to keep defending it and probably be killed, and this means that having any territory is bad news. it is like playing a children's game of tag, as soon as you tag someone else, they get to tag you back, yes?

    Now, if they are fighting for the people to have the right lifestyle, they should merely do it - just live correctly. if they were to lay down their arms and do away with their uniforms, they could hold down good week day jobs, and preach on the weekends where they check to see everyone is living correctly. this could be like a quiet watch over the people of the whole country, where they could correct anyone they think is living incorrectly, and discuss things with them. this follows some of my core beliefs, where i find that to understand why people do what they do, you must understand them.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This fighting in Africa is just another example of the failures of multiculturalism. Boko Harem is a Muslim hate group.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13809501

    There are no areas in the world where large populations of Muslims near other non-Muslims live in peace and harmony.

    Convert, or die.
     
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    With the consideration that you have to include "at this time".

    Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan, and a great many more "Muslim nations" have lived at peace with their Jew and gentile neighbors for decades and centuries. It is only the increase of radicalism in the last few decades that have made this impossible.

    You can not take a recent snapshot and expand it to include everywhere at any time.
     
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    No link?
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Islam has always been radical. They have left only tiny pockets of Christians and others in Egypt, Iran and a few other places where they have enjoyed years of superiority. There are no significant numbers of Jews in the Mid East and North Africa outside of Israel. Most synagogues in these places have not been active for some time.

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    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/synsyria.html

    Of course any ardent Jew or Christian found in Somalia, or in the Taliban and IS-controlled areas would killed in short order. There are massive religious restrictions placed on Christians and Jews in Iran and other so-called tolerant places.

    Lebanon may not be actively fighting and killing Jews and Christians as they have for many years, but Muslims have been steadily choking-out other groups for decades, as they have in Palestine/West Bank.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Lebanon

    Islam is like a malignant cancer---broadly speaking.
     
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    Once again, you cherry pick and do not really know what you are talking about.

    Always a problem with certain groups of people.

    Are you aware of the percentage of religion in Lebanon?

    Well, I am. Muslims make up.... a whopping 54%. Christians make up around 41%.

    And instead of Christians and other minorities, the Muslim groups are much more likely to attack each other. With roughly 27% Sunni and Shia, they are much more likely to attack each other (or the Druze) then they are the Christians.

    In fact, most of the groups fighting during the early Lebanese Civil War were amazingly secular. Druze, Christians, and Muslims of both sects banding together on a local basis, not religious. It was only later that these groups started to break down and form larger organizations (but ones based on political philosophy more than religious).

    But the biggest wild card that threw all of Lebanon into turmoil was not any of their own groups, but essentially the invasion of the Palestinian forces in the 1970's. This is basically led to the forming of the 3 main groups we saw in the 1980's.

    The Shia, generally Marxist "People's" armies that were created to support the Palestinians.

    The Sunni, essentially "Pan-Arab" armies that were created to oppose the Shia-Palestinians.

    The Maronite groups, generally composed of the various Christian groups who had little interest in fighting, they were primarily a defense group for their own areas.

    The Druze were kind of a wildcard. They fought against all of the others, Christians and Muslims alike.
     
  7. Brett Nortje

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    The insurgents need to also think about their future and the future of others. the world is supporting them - do they know where they get arms from? who is standing to gain by having them attack others, and, will these same people have something to gain by seeing the militants overthrown? i mean, if they are pitching in now for them, why are they doing it? what would they ask of the commanders if they were to win, would they all receive adequate funding for their country to be rebuilt?

    Then, there is the concept of children - they are growing up in a poor country, a country where it is not safe to live. if they were to observe that there is no real economic growth, the longer the fight goes on for, the less money there will be each year, and, there will then be massive starvation and poverty. if they were to have joined the militants in favor of sharia, political goals or for any other reason, they must realize they are removing many choices and blessings from those around them, even those they are fighting for.

    So, if they really want to 'win - win' they should negotiate with the leaders. there are too few of them to defend any place from attack, and, the numbers are getting thinner with deaths and running away. war makes you mad, the sun in your eyes, the sweat on your guns, the hiding away, the slightest noise making you think you are in danger... who wants to live like that?

    Now, i will tell you why the war will never end - the militants get new recruits every now and again, the state pays for their recruits - this means there will be a continuous flow from both sides. this 'unstoppable force is up against an immovable object' and there is no going forwards for either side. every branch of boko harem has their own fight to fight, and, what have the results been? win a city for a week, destroy it on the way out? this means that there is less stuff to share, which is the plan, yes?

    Desperation buys militants, money buys soldiers of the state, these two flows are never ending. as long as there is a need for soldiers, they will be there, as long as there is poverty, they will join there. why not come together and make peace - what were you fighting for, and what are you fighting for now?
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hitler's Legacy

    First published in Defence Today, Vol.6 No.1
    April/May 2007

     
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    There have really been no censuses taken in Lebanon---so they are estimates only. Some sources say Muslims now make up 75% of the country.

    One of my many cousins married a Christian girl who's family fled Lebanon back in the 1960's.
     
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    Same story in the Philippines.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Murderers, criminals, and foaming-at-the-mouth islamic terrorists don't think like normal people.

    Not understanding that fact is why we fail at combating all of them.
     
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    OK, let me say this very clearly.

    MOST OF THE FIGHTING THE LAST 20+ YEARS HAS BEEN MUSLIM AGAINST MUSLIM!

    There, got that? Understand that?

    Iran-Iraq, Iraq-Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, those have all predominantly been Muslim against Muslim conflicts.

    In other words, Sunni against Shia.

    And in Lebanon, Christian forces are equal to any one of those other 2 groups. And no, the number of Muslims is still no more than around 60%.

    around 30% to each of Shia and Sunni.

    And they are far to busy fighting each other to be any kind of real concern to the Christians, Druze, or any other minorities.

    Yea, in the American Civil War, about 90% of Americans were white.

    But do not worry about the Whites going after Indians, or Blacks, or Mexicans, or any other groups. Those 50% and 40% were far to busy slaughtering each other to give any concern to the other 10% of the population.

    This is why you fail, you are simply throwing all "Muslims" into a single box, not even recognizing that they have their own agendas. And it is the exact opposite of working together to attack the others.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are Pro-Western Muslims around---even know some. The Kurds are among the most Pro-West.

    However, notice how very few Muslim nations, supposedly our "friends" are helping fight the good fight against the Taliban and IS.

    Where have their "boots on the ground" been?

    I know if our Baptist group knew of other Evangelical Christians groups going around and killing each other---like Amish attacking Pentecostals----we would step in and use armed force to stop the killings.
     
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    The only reason muslims in the ME are killing each other is because they've wiped out, outlawed, or driven away other people's and religions. So to happily keep up the killing, they had to split themselves into two groups to find someone to kill.

    Anywhere muslims go, violence against anyone non-muslim follows. Africa, Philippines, Europe....

    There's really only one or two fairly peaceful muslim countries, but those are island nations with a culture heavily influenced by Buddhism.
     
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    Huh?

    Oh yes, that is why there are no Christians and Jews there.

    Or Druze, or any other minorities.

    All of the ME is one gigantic Arab Muslim playground, nobody else lives there.

    What I find most amazing is that for some reason apparently some people actually believe that coprolite.
     
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    I never said there were none remaining right now, but it won't be long.

    Not so long ago Christians comprised 20% of the population in the ME.

    Now it is less than 5%. Gee I wonder why.

    Oh yeah, because those are the ones muslims love to kill the most.
     
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    You must be kidding.

    All 3 of those modern nations were formed in 1919 or 1920. Lebanon and Iran have been centers of anti-Israeli activity including engaging in war and terrorism since before the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Modern Afghanistan is surrounded by Islamic states, before that it was regularly at war with its neighbors.

    War is inherent in Islam, and was present from the very beginning. Islam was founded in war, and upon consolidating power Islamic forces immediately began a world conquest. They invaded Syria in 634, then Egypt, Persia, parts of India, Libya and North Africa, and into Spain starting in 711. Over the same period, they invaded Byzantium, north into modern Uzbekistan, Georgia and neighboring areas. They invaded France in the early 8th century.

    And on and on. Read the history of Islam, its nothing but war.
     
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    But we are not talking about the entire ME, we are currently talking about Lebanon.

    And yea, "not so long ago", if you look at a century. And that reduction in percent is primarily in the rapid increase of other religions (specifically Muslims), not the killing of Christians. Then add to that the exodus to other nations (primarily the US).

    And interestingly enough, the percentage of Christians in Lebanon has actually increased. Today, it is around 40%. Once again not by an increase in the number of Christians, but by the decrease of the percentage of Muslims because of the ongoing Sunni-Shia war.

    Wow, just wow. Complete and total history fail here.

    Please tell me, in exactly which war did Iran attack Israel? How many attacks and battles did Iran conduct against Israel?

    Oh, and most of the attacks against Byzantium were actually by Christians. That was the cause of the ultimate downfall of the Eastern Roman Empire. In fact, it was the Byzantine–Sasanian War (602–628) that so weakened both empires that with 25 years the Sasanians fell to the Muslims.

    And for the next 800 years a secession of Christian Armies attacked and sacked Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire. There was even a period of over 50 years (1204-1261) that the Byzantine Empire was in exile, having lost their capitol of Constantinople to Crusaders from Italy.

    You might want to try and learn some real history, instead of apparently believing what others have told you.
     
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    This is not about the Byzantine Empire, its about Islam's inherent waging of war. Your attempt to derail the subject proves you know you were wrong, you just don't have the integrity to admit it.
     
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    Then why did you bring the Byzantine Empire up?

    And why are you ignoring the centuries that they were under attack by Christian nations, long before the Muslims ever attacked them?

    That is known as "cherry picking", and doing it quite badly.
     
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    I listed Byzantium as one of a dozen or so examples of Islamic aggression. Go reread the post.

    And the topic is Islamic aggression, not Christianity.
     
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    So you ignore any other examples of aggression, and only concentrate on ones by Muslims.

    Kinda like some groups who ignore dozens of police shootings, and instead concentrate only on those against their own community.
     
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    I'm afraid you're right in that they won't take 'no' for an answer. Trump and Putin know what we'll soon be up against but nobody else does. We're sleepwalking right into it.
     
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    Go read the thread, particularly your own posts. You claimed the muslims were nice to their neighbors, I proved you wrong.
     
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    Wow, I never said anything like that.

    Goodbye, I do not deal with idiots who can not keep their mind in reality.
     
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    Convert or die is the origins and core of Islam. Remember, it was started by a mass murderer and pedophile rapist warlord who wrote his values out and demanded anyone who does not submit be tortured and killed - claiming this is the will of Allah.
     

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