State Dept says revealing 'evidence' of Russian hacking would be 'irresponsible'

Strange things here. The US government is not only keeping its evidence private so as not to reveal its sources and methods ...as it did with the plane shoot down in Ukraine when Kerry said 'trust me', but from Pres. Elect Trump as well, since his statement doesn't mention any hacking by Russia.

What does the Obama regime take us for idiots?

Asked by RT’s Gayane Chichakyan if Friday’s public intelligence report should have contained evidence, State Department spokesman John Kirby said that no one should be surprised that US intelligence agencies were keeping evidence secret in order to protect their sources and methods.​

And yet this is what Pres. Elect Donald Trump said in reference to the Intelligence Report:

While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines. ​

There were attempts to hack the Republican National Committee, (probably by the DNC), but the RNC had strong hacking defenses and the hackers were unsuccessful.​

https://www.rt.com/usa/373140-russia-hacking-report-state-department/

 

Definitely somewhat suspicious, but when you look it from their perspective, it kind of makes sense. The politicians and intelligence agencies behind the "Russia hacked the elections" narrative view Russia's activities as acts of war. And in war, you obviously don't reveal to the public, and thus your opponent, exactly how you know what they're doing. It just goes to show how uninformed the general public really is.

 

This has nothing to do with hacking, it was leaked by an insider in the DNC. ..and they know it. This is what Senator Cruz said and he is right:

Republican Senator Ted Cruz dismissed the claims of Russian interference, telling a scrum of reporters that the Democratic Party is trying to delegitimize the election results by blaming Russia for their heavy losses. He stated that there is no evidence that Russian interference impacted the election.​

 

Perhaps it was the same guy who was killed in the "mugging" attempt.

 

It will compromise their agents on the ground,
how about you comrade Jean, care to reveal your true identity?

 

You mean Seth Rich? That's what a lot of people suspect.

 

Which identity do you want, that I'm an old woman with nothing to do, or I'm a Russian shill being paid $1,000 a day?

 

Of course you will never reveal if you are from the GRU or from the FSB.
but that $1,000 a day is enough to convert a person into a troll.

 

Perhaps, but soldiers are expendable for the larger good.

If one beats the war drums in a representative democracy then the people must be shown the conclusive proof, no matter the concerquinces to an individual soldier, spy or method.



This image and many others were released to the public by the Kennedy administration during the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy knew that the American public had a right to know that what it was risking was based on reality.

The headlines and images compromising our methods went round the world.



It cost the life of our source.



The 12th day of the Cuban Missile Crisis dawned with the United States and the Soviet Union on the precipice of atomic confrontation. That morning, a Soviet missile shot the U-2 reconnaissance plane of U.S. Air Force Major Rudolf Anderson Jr. out of the Cuban sky.

Labour

 

I wouldn't believe anything published by RT.

 

Sometimes war declaration needs justification for it will involve not only the military but the safety and lives of entire population, which is somehow needs clarification and justification. But no war so far threatened towards Russia and unlike the Cuban missile crisis the rigging needs further undertakings for future prevention, whereas in that Cuban scenario it's already facing the predicament. They will always protect personnel if they are still in use mostly if it takes years to establish another one once again.

 

The MSM blackout on ambassador Murray should be the knell on this claim about Russia being the source for wilkileaks. Why should this ruse from the politically driven "Russia did it" provide evidence? Why take the time to fabricate it? They can just act like they have some secret way of telling Russia got the hacked emails to wilkileks, and then hide behind that. As the ex CIA Ray McGovern said, the NSA has ever action that ever went over the internet or phone lines, or cell towers, and would just pull that up. And as McAfee said a big state actor like Russia would have covered their trail, and would not have been obvious. Russia probably did get these emails, and certainly got all of the classified info from Hillary's home server, but as we do, just processed it and kept it for themselves. And the democratic insider who was pissed off by what the DNC and the Hillary campaign did to sanders turned it over to Murray, who turned it over to wilkileaks to show America just how antidemocratic Hillary and the DNC was, so they knew what they were getting since Hillary had this in the bag.

But now MSM does not have to spend time trying to inject doubt into Murray's account for they will just ignore him, black out anything that would cast doubt on the intel, just as they would have done if other voices were speaking up as intel was used to warrant and justify the invasion of a sovereign nation. So we have seen this act before, and millions of people died because of it. And DC, the intel, really could not care less. This is what we are dealing with here. There is little critical thinking going on for the dems want the Russian story to be true for obvious reasons and the GOP wants it to be true because Russia was on that neocon list as a nation to be dealt with in their new American century scheme. And the war waging industrial complex must be regularly injected with big money, for it enriches out elites who pay politicians to keep the money coming. But best to ignore everything and anything that would question who gave the emails to wilkileaks outside of Russia.

That no one in MSM is questioning Murray is red flag the size of texas. I mean how much more obvious can you get? We saw the same non questioning, the same fake journalism leading up to the invasion of Iraq. But plenty of americans remember Iraq, and are not buying this scheme. The intelligent, serious americans who are not chumps this time around. The ones not brain dead from political partisan cultism. But perhaps they have gotten to the point that truth is now treason. The way it was in Nazi Germany. Don't think, just accept what the gov't tells you. The same gov't most americans have lost all trust in. Because of the habitual lying.

 

If one is to question the outcome of a Presidential election one must produce facts! I'll aver that this is a larger more serious issue than war.

Show us the evidence or shut up intelligence community, let us judge the veracity of your claims of treason and stolen elections.

Cheers

 

The rigging made only reveal the true nature of Hillary, subject with the preferences of the voting public, actually it helps, but of course in terms of sovereignty that is indeed a malpractice. They will never place in peril their methods and the people behind revealing it into public just to satisfy curiosity, as what you've said this is quite a serious matter to deal with.

 

And yet you parrot anything and everything from CNN, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, and the rest of the propaganda MSM.

I bet, just like OJ, the Feds are looking for the "real" killers of Seth Rich.

 

And how does Cruz know? Has he been privy to the information gleaned by the security agencies?

 

Intelligence agencies are secretive by nature of their jobs. Asking them to reveal information and how they got it isn't going to get you very far.

 

Is that so? How on earth then all those 'top secret' reports and information on alleged Russian hacking are leaked to the U.S media and Trump political enemies? The story they try to sell to the American public is an absolute insult to intelligence. It seems to me that Soros and his globalist whores within the U.S establishment would rather be friends with Sunni radical jihadists than Christian Russians.

 

Stuff gets leaked all the time, for whatever reason. I don't see what religion has to do with anything. Perhaps you might explain? Furthermore why the sudden love for Russia; weren't the Russians our sworn enemy until a couple of months ago, or did I miss something? No, of course I didn't; see, if Trump loves Vlad he must really be a good guy underneath.

 

Deception is also their job.

 

4chan

 

No-one is questioning the outcome of the election. The election has happened. Trump won. Nothing will change that.

There are now two questions.

The first is whether a foreign power influenced or tried to influence the outcome of the election. If so, that should be of concern to ALL Americans. Even if your guy won this time, would you think it is OK for Iran or China to hack in to RNC or Trump servers to try to hurt Republican chances? No investigation into the hacking will change the outcome of the election but it could help prevent similar interference in the future.

The second question is whether Trump is a witting or unwitting stooge for the Russians, or whether he is potentially in their pocket due to compromising information that they have. That is a different story. The things I have read are pretty disturbing, if true. Things like:
- Trump was delivering intelligence to the Kremlin about Russian oligarchs in the US
- Trump's personal lawyer met with officials from Putin's office - maybe more than once - during the course of the presidential campaign
- there is some suggestion of a payoff in exchange for lifting sanctions against Russia (Rosneft shares)
If this stuff is true, and Trump is in Putin's pocket, that is a real concern for everyone.

Both issues need to be investigated. Closing your eyes and saying "it can't be true" just because you don't want it to be true is dangerous.

 

Trump's attorney has never been to Prague nor Russia. His son's school confirms to the Atlantic that he was at a school function on the date(s) in question.

Oops.

Cheers

 

You mean like the alleged letter to Princess Diana or all the women allegedly accosted by Trump. Amazing they all went away after they were no longer useful isn't it?

Fake news is how the left rolls.

 

That would all be confirmed in an investigation. If it is true it would discredit this report. But one statement to a newspaper is not a reason to forego an investigation.