So now Donald says he is going to "repeal and replace" Obamacare "simultaneously"

"within the next couple of weeks." How, GOP has been at it seven years now and they still haven't come up with a agreed upon alternative, even in the midst of a Presidential campaign. The House Republicans are in disarray now since they literally don't know what they are doing, and, on top of that, the Donald tells them it's happening "simultaneously within the next couple of weeks"

http://www.startribune.com/anxious-l...aca/410555535/

How long before the Trumpkins realize what the majority of Americans already know

 

Most don't really care as long as it is repealed. I'm sure the explanation is in the bill and, " you'll have to pass it to see what's in it." "Election's have consequences". Does that ring a bell?

 

You would think that over the past 6 years with the GOP doing their level best to try to repeal the ACA, they would have had SOMETHING to replace it with.

And..................they're damned if they do, because the people who lose their healthcare will vote against them next election, and they're damned if they don't, because the people who voted for them will vote them out for not getting rid of the ACA, even though the GOP controls both the House and Senate, as well as has the presidency.

 

It's too bad that Trump has already made the commitment to "replace" Obamacare with something else. Why the hell does it need to be replaced with something else? Qualified people go on the Medicare system, others pay for their own medical expenses (or it's part of their compensation at work), and the others who won't or don't pay for their own medical care can sign up for Medicaid.

So, exactly WHY should there be, or have ever been an "Obamacare" in the first damned place?! Only one reason -- hyperliberal Democrats dreamed this stupid, fraudulent scam up as a ploy to work the dumbed-down American "cattle herd" for more votes for -- you guessed it -- DEMOCRATS!

."To keep it comin', ya'll be sure and vote a straight Democrat ticket next time!"

 

We have to repeal it before we know what is in the replacement.

 

In New Mexico this is what it would cost for a couple with an 18 year old kid making $25,000. Go ahead, defend it.

See more in this thread http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...care-prices-real-deal-must-seen-believed.html

 

Why would they buy that when they qualify for Medicaid?

 

Because some don't like the idea of being on the government dole? That is an intangible that you leftists never understood about us on the right. Pride. Some of us were raised to never take a handout. Never to subsist on the labor of others, but to pay our own way. You stripped a lot of people of their pride, forcing them to buy a product they cannot afford.

 

Senate sets ObamaCare repeal in motion in overnight vote

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell got the ball rolling early this morning, passing a budget resolution on a 51-48 vote that will allow repeal to pass under reconciliation:

The Senate early Thursday passed a measure to take the first step forward on dismantling President Barack Obama’s health care law.

The 51-48 vote eases the way for action on subsequent repeal legislation as soon as next month.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_115_1.htm

 

The purpose of insurance is to NOT pay your own way

 

Yes, he SAID he could replace it within an HOUR. Will Repugs hold him to it? Of course not.....

GEE, WHY haven't we seen this miraculous "Replacement Plan" yet? Are they going to make one up on the day Obama Care is repealed?'

If they don't what happens to those people, AMERICANS< who will no longer have health insurance while Repugs fart around dilly dallying trying to get a plan together???

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Yes, he SAID he could replace it within an HOUR. Will Repugs hold him to it? Of course not.....

GEE, WHY haven't we seen this miraculous "Replacement Plan" yet? Are they going to make one up on the day Obama Care is repealed?'

If they don't what happens to those people, AMERICANS< who will no longer have health insurance while Repugs fart around dilly dallying trying to get a plan together???

 

The replacement should be the free market, just repeal the damn thing.

Let those of us who only want catastrophic care, to get catastrophic care and then let us have a tax free health savings account. Its not that freaking hard........

 

Insurance is paying your own way because it is voluntary. There is no theft dressed up as taxation.

 

And those with a preexisting condition can go back to being denied coverage.

 

The purpose of insurance is to protect yourself from having to pay one huge bill. It is spread out over a lifetime, across a community of the willing. You do realize that insurance companies turn a profit, right? This has nothing to do with the point I was making, but then, why would you want to address personal pride?

 

Yeah.

I was hoping the GOP would be stupid enough to repeal it and leave nothing in its place other than vague promises about a replacement , which is where they were going.

That would have created chaos and uncertainly throughout the health care industry and led to skyrocketing insurance rates.

Also, twenty million people would lose health insurance right away and easily that many more would see prices rise significantly and benefits cut.

Aid to rural hospitals would be deleted, which would caused even more to close, direcly impacting the voters in Trumpworld.

They were all ready to drive off that cliff.

Of course, Trump is no more realistic. Repeal and replace in two weeks!

Seriously?

Actually, it's a reflection of how ill prepared Trump is for the job that he thought this simple minded boast was even possible.

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No it is not. Not in any way shape or form.

Insurance is the collective pooling of risk, the very opposite of "paying your own way"!

 

Who doesn't laugh at Obamacare apologists predicitions?

Obamacare Is Killing Rural Hospitals and Their Patients

Since 2010, rural hospitals have been put out of business at a rate of one a month.

Among the talking points deployed by Obamacare apologists in their effort to save &#8220;reform&#8221; is the claim that repeal will cause thousands to die due to the loss of health insurance. This nonsense is based on the fiction that repeal will cause tens of millions to instantly lose health coverage and on debunked studies showing that the lack of insurance causes premature death. Strangely, the compassionate champions of the potentially uninsured seem unmoved by the very real carnage wrought by Obamacare&#8217;s destruction of rural hospitals. Since 2010, 80 such facilities have closed, a trend that is killing patients right now.

Most of these shuttered hospitals provided the only realistic source of accessible emergency care for patients living in the rural communities they served. If you live in the area once served by Colusa Regional Medical Center in rural California, for example, you would be ill-advised to have a heart attack. To get you to a hospital your ambulance will have to drive past that now-closed facility in order to get you to the nearest ER. When asked why the hospital was forced to close, the CEO included the following among the principal reasons: &#8220;The Affordable Care Act and its reimbursement model for Medicaid and Medicare.&#8221;

This model is the result of a bait-and-switch perpetrated on the hospital industry by the White House and congressional Democrats. In 2009, the industry agreed to support Obamacare by accepting $155 billion in cuts to their Medicaid and Medicare payments in exchange for a promise that &#8220;reform&#8221; would flood hospitals with millions of newly insured patients whose coverage would offset the concession. Predictably, Obamacare fell short of its goals and 97 percent of its enrollees were dumped into Medicaid, which pays hospitals well below the cost (cost, not charges) of treating patients covered by that program.

All of this means that rural hospitals are rapidly becoming extinct and that, if you are one of the 60 million Americans who make their homes in rural areas, this is a very dangerous trend for your health. In other words, when your ambulance has to be driven past a facility that has been forced out of business by Obamacare, your chances of dying on the way to &#8212; or after you finally reach &#8212; the next hospital down the road have been significantly increased. Unlike the &#8220;research&#8221; predicting zillions of deaths if the law is repealed, this is the conclusion of a legitimate study reported by the American College of Emergency Physicians:

https://spectator.org/obamacare-is-killing-rural-hospitals-and-their-patients/

Rural hospitals in critical condition

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/

 

So you have convinced yourself that there can be "ONLY ONE" options, Obamacare? So tell me, do you feel light headed in a market when confronted with so many "Choices" or do you frugally review the "Choices" and find the best product for you at a price affordable to your budget and income? So far from what I have witnessing, is the only folks resistant to choice are the ones relying on a Healthcare Handout!

Think about it, what's the harm in creating more healthcare options as long as they provide healthcare coverage, are you that afraid of free market and competition?

 

Correct. And my risk is the same as someone who makes less than me. But Obamacare isn't based on risk, it's based on one's ability to pay. Shouldn't people with the same risk pay the same rate? With Obamacare, if there are two people with the same risk factors the one with the higher income pays part of the premiums for the person with the lower income. That's not a collective pooling of risk, it's wealth redistribution.

 

I thought you Righties were hard core Christians? If that's the case, why would you allow one of the 7 deadly sins dictate how you live your life?

Or is this another one of those cases where you selectively pick out which scripture in the Bible you support. Kinda like Y'all do with Homosexuals.

 

Yup...this is what Republicans consider "leadership."

Instead of leading...what they want to do is to undo the result of their opponents actually "leading." That...and wandering around in disarray.

This is really sad. But...the comments of the conservatives here are even sadder...so I guess we just have to live with it.

The electorate spoke on election day...and even though some of us do not like it, "the electorate" pretty much decided they want Republicans and conservatives "leading" us.

The election was fair...despite all the crap being discussed...and we have to live with it and think about changing things on another election day.

 

Me and my wife have preexisting conditions. We had healthcare before the ACA and it was cheaper than it is now.

 

I think that depends on the definition of something else. it also does not have to be one massive boondoggle like the Dems passed, instead I would like to see several smaller bills each addressing one or two concerns. Rand Paul has some good ideas and Paul Ryan had a nice plan ready back in 2009. Repeal also does not mean Obamacare vaporizes as soon as the bill is passed, I would think think that the current plans would be in effect until October at least. What I would like to see is that by that time a bill for unlimited health savings accounts and insurance sales across state lines bills be passed

 

I do so love it when atheists try to explain Christianity to Christians. To take pride in ones work or ethics is not the same as self righteous pride that puts ones self before God... God hates that sort of pride because it hinders one from feeling a "need" for God leading to self-destruction. Arrogant pride, vs humble pride of good work. To humiliate a man is to strip him of his sense of self-worth. This is what you have done... And done so with pride.

 

We didn't elect a dictator, we elected a President and he has to work with Congress, and Congressional Republicans are largely wimps. They would have been thrilled with a Rubio or a Jeb! but we gave then Trump, instead.

Remember, these clowns actually snuck through a mid-night renewal of the Import-Export bank and gladly joined the Gang of Ocho!

I'm good with giving them time, and we will drop the hammer on them again in 2018 if that is what is called for. Nobody hates the Tea Party like the GOP establishment, that is why Lerner was allowed to skate.

As for CNN being taken to the woodshed by The Donald, remember, it wasn't for reporting, it was for lying.

They actually accused Trump of hiring Russian prostitutes to urinate on a hotel bed where Obama had slept – and then, at the press conference, had the audacity to accuse him of being "improper" in his refusal to dignify their propaganda with a response.

Let the cohorts in other parts of the propaganda machine take note. When you strike at Trump with lies, he will avenge the insult with that most terrifying of all weapons: truth.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/killing_cnn.html#ixzz4VfQtBYcB

They aren't going to dismantle Obamacare without having something else better to take its place.

You'll see.