American Public Schools. Should they continue to be funded?

American Public Schools. Should they continue to be funded?


(I believe they should)

 

I disagree with federal funding of public schools (with the exception of DOD schools). It's the state's responsibility to provide for education. I agree totally that education should be provided by the state/local governments as part of their general responsibilities in the social contract.

 

One of the tenets of Communism is "free education" aka, funded by the all powerful government by forced taxation.

I believe that all public K-12 education should be funded entirely by the local community, with only weak state oversight at best. Only military and diplomats should have the Feds in charge of their own schools for their children.

Because the traditional nuclear family should be the backbone of Western society, there should be a community of such families directly responsible for their children's schools.

 

Can you even imagine the children graduating from Texas schools if they ran them the way they keep trying to. Kids would have no chance once they had to deal with the actual world.

 

Kids going to Gazi (global socialist) indoctrination centers only come out to be dependent drones. Most can barely read. The education system needs to be scrapped and privatized. It's nothing but a money pit full of leaches. A voucher system would be much better. Let parents choose where they send thier kids rather then force them into failing, worthless, Gazi (global socialist) indoctrination centers.

 

You do realize that communitarian values are also the basic foundations of conservatism, right?

 

Free education in the U.S. predates communism (and actually the country itself). It's part of the reason that we became a world power-- a belief in free public education. Many of the poorer Founding fathers (the one's who's fathers couldn't afford tutors) were the product of colonial public schools.

 

Running a sham education system that only teaches dependency is not conservative. Let the public make schools, and let the parents choose which one to send their kids too. The left is dead set against it because forcing kids to attend their indoctrination centers is a huge amount of power. Especially in urban areas. They will cling to it with their last ounce of strength.

 

You mean one that teaches basic civics?

If they're smart enough to, then that would seem like a good idea. Too bad that's not really the point of an education. The point isn't an education for youth, it's to improve the local community. An education is a plus to a community.

Sure? Whatever? What does that even mean?

 

And who funded these "free schools" back in 1600's and 1700's here?

Was it the Crown? Was it the early states?

https://sites.google.com/site/thecolonistsjournal/colonial-education-in-new-england-colonies

https://www.landofthebrave.info/colonial-education.htm

 

Few if any public schools actually teach anything. That's why kids are so dumb these days. But that's part of the plan. It's much harder to indoctrinate educated people.

Go tell that to inner city parents. They aren't smart enough to know where they want to send their kids. It's obvious how you feel about the American public.

It would... if they were "smart"? Stupid, dumb, lazy, fat, racist, Americans... What they need are enlightened Gazi (global socialist) oligarchs to deem what's best for their kids.

Indoctrinating people to be subservient to their Gazi (global socialist) over lords only helps the Gazi (global socialist) over lords community. Meanwhile, the public begs and hopes a Gazi will throw some crumbs in their general direction.

It means you value the failing school system because it gives you power to indoctrinate and force your way of life onto the masses.

 

You do realize we still have that basic system to this day and that it's one of the reasons why schools are so lopsided right? Or that you just managed to undermine your own position?

 

I wasn't disagreeing with who should fund the schools--I agree that ideally it should be the local government. I'm just disagreeing with the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that it's a communist plot.

 

So conspiracy level fears about education? Our education system is lopsided because it focuses too much on local communities providing funds. There's a lot of good mixed in with the bad. Overall our numbers aren't bad. They could be better.

Yeah. They don't know. That's why they have someone else gather the data for them to make the decision to give them that desire in the first place. OR were you referring to how the parents in the 70's wanted to bus their children to white suburban schools but for some reason the government couldn't find the money to do so?

Most Americans can't name the SCOTUS justices or the basics of American civics. Yet you somehow want them to make a decision that will affect not just their lives but their communities as well? Why would you want the town drunk to make the decision to go to war? Also if you want a racist making decisions, that's a bad idea for communities.

You mean like religious schools telling people that they must accept god or he will punish them? Or do you mean the conservative leaders who need stupid people to think they have enough in life as they hack up a lung because they can't afford healthcare?

Like by supporting funding sports? Or by funding schools that produce thought that lead people to think that public education is a bad idea?

 

Believe me, after I pay the county property tax on my house for about $5,000, I feel the pain. Half the county tax goes to the schools in the county, and half to the county government. Because of Marxist education laws, the wealthy local schools near me must have much of our funds stripped away to the poor schools out in the sticks---and that's just plain wrong.

Now the Feds and the State may provide some tax dollars, but not as much as some of the worst offenders that have up to 90% Fed and State tax monies used.

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It's socialism, big government, whatever you want to call it.

 

That's how there is social mobility. The poor need that money because they can't get it on their own. That's not marxist, that's a liberal idea. Being able to provide for the common good is a liberal idea.

Why are they using so much state and federal money?

 

They have the most liberal representatives. I'd throw the Dept of Education in the trash can if I were running Washington.

The poor areas must have some sort of incentive for the residents to work harder and build better schools. Otherwise they will likely stay idle and continue depending of the welfare of others.

 

Nah, cut funding now that my kids graduated university. Let Republican's dreams of a dystopian future finally succeed. Kids can be taught by our Gameshow Host in Chief, Donnie Trumpf. With 12 hours of TV and Internet fake news each day.

 

Of course they should be funded. The people who run them on the other hand....

 

I am a bit biased as a student history teacher. Most likely I will find myself in the employ of public schools in the next few years. So....

I do think the public school systems should continue to be funded. Without them we would create a serious deficiency in education in this nation. Not all schools have the budget to survive on their own and there is not nearly enough private schools to take care of the entire population. Education should not become a racket only available to those with money.

If one is so worried about the public school systems one would think more parents would be involved in improving these systems.

 

The parents. You know, the people who are responsible for their children. Where in your articles is the word "free"?

 

Earlier "free" (taxpayer supported, but nowhere does it say government-run) colonial education largely disappeared in the 18th century. The US enjoyed some of the highest literacy rates in the world despite the lack of government-run public education. Compulsory, government-run public education didn't appear until 1852, starting in Massachusetts (which now suffers a lower literacy rate than it did then) and spreading out to the rest of the US over the next 60 years.

Many of those colonial public schools were funded by parents, alumni, and subscription. That's even what Thomas Jefferson called for when he proclaimed support of public schools. Many would have been aghast at the idea of governments actually running schools. Some of those former colonies even resisted the government-run "common school" movement to the point that the military was called out to force their children into them.

 

No, I don't think we should continue with socialized schools. Socialism yields worse outcomes than private sector endeavors.

 

The idea of public education is not a "communist plot". The idea that a well educated populace is required for a free nation predates the USA. What the "progressives" have done is co-opt the curriculum in order to indoctrinate children.

 

Ronald Reagan went to public school