The end of a grand experiment

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  1. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Watch carefully people, for you are witnessing the end of the grand experiment that was the American Democracy. It may not have been perfect 241 years after it's inception, but it was surely better than any other system man has created to build a society upon. And 241 years is but a wink in time, and was on our side to repair the flaws in the system that the founding fathers could never have predicted. Too bad it has ended with this election. Let us mourn for clean air, water, safe affordable drugs, national parks and the environment in general. Health care in any form for 22 million Americans was better than no health care at all.
    A president elected by a minority of the population and whose campaign was run on hate, prejudice and fear. Certainly not what our founding fathers imagined could be possible.
    A cabinet made of up a few men and women whose combined net worth is greater than the least wealthy one-third of American households. Can anyone in that 1/3 really expect help from those lords of industry? If so, why would they, when a little reading exposes how those cabinet members have made their fortunes on the backs of the American workers without any care for the quality of life for those workers?
    Law and order at the expense of one's civil liberties is exactly what the grand experiment was designed to shield Americans from, and yet the Trump supporters welcomed this into their lives with open arms, if not eyes and minds. You blindly accept intervention into our elections by a malignant foreign power because it benefited your candidate, but don't bother asking, "At what cost?"
    This is the first step toward the ungodly dystopian society we so often see in films and 20 million Americans are blindly rejoicing.
    What quantity of ignorance, hate, prejudice and fear did it take for us to get here?
    Watch carefully people, for you are witnessing history; the end of the grand experiment that was American Democracy.
     
  2. One Mind

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    Congrats to the propaganda machine, you have filled this guy with delusions.

    So let us actually look at where we are. We are seeing a president, or soon to be president, take on what the Princeton Study said we were moving in to, or we were already there. Oligarchy. Compliments of every president and congress since Reagan. For if you take on this elite scheme of free trade, you are taking on one of the tools of the oligarchy. Which means you are taking on the oligarchy, those both dems and repubs have given us, destroying the republic, so that only the forms are left, just like the roman empire.

    Second, the MSM blackout in regards to Craig Murray, a prior UK ambassador, who said he knew where wilkileaks got those emails, and it was from an American, in DC. We are in the blackout, as we were with the Princeton Study because the American people need to stay disconnected from their reality. As you are. So, Russia did not provide wilkileaks with those emails, an American did, but Murray will not give up his source, for obvious reasons.

    So, these two things I point out pretty much shows a disconnect from reality on your part. And a great success for those who wanted to manufacture this consent. What I have a hard time understanding is HOW people can be so disconnected, when the factual info is out there, the revelations. I figure these people want to believe what they believe, regardless of actual facts. But it also exhibits a thinking process that is filled with incoherence, making it null and void.
     
  3. DonQuix

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    Thank you for your heart-felt post. In my interpretation, the issue is with the evolution of the character of the USA itself.

    At inception, America was a rebel against the world system led by Britain. Since I define 'world system' as an imperial system of exploitation based on the manipulation of money and debt with political, banking and military power, the American revolutionaries were true fighters for freedom. The nation they fashioned, naturally, also institutionalized many of the Enlightenment ideals beloved of the Western intellectual tradition.

    That tradition proved lasting. Through most of the 19th century, the nation resisted the central bank, the institution that underpins most of a nation's addiction to debt. It also survived a British-aided attempt to divide itself. (Since a big and prosperous country that doesn't buy into the world system is a big threat to it.)

    Alas, in the early 20th century, the US became the head of the world system. Precisely how this happened, I don't know. Did it succumb to the temporary glamor and benefit of taking wealth from, and lording it over the rest of the world? Was it seduced or outplayed by the British political and banking elites? There are many possibilities.

    In any case, the nation became addicted to the unearned power and wealth that come from the imperial debt bubble, and the decline, in every sphere of life, that eventually comes with them. Once high debt sets in, any break with the habit is painful (as the Fed will no doubt be happy to remind us.)

    The specific events that led us to the election of 2016 were that, from the early 90s, the fundamentals of worldwide faith in dollars were weak enough, due to high debts, that the US was forced to allow China to suppress its currency artificially. If your dollars could buy Chinese goods cheaply, you continued to have faith in dollars. But this same act eventually hollowed out manufacturing jobs from the US, and led to the discontent that only required a populist like Trump to ignite into a political rebellion against the elites, who the Trump voters instinctively knew were rigging the system. (I define 'rigging' here as market-fixing, in this case money and debt, with public power, to benefit the elites.)

    As it turns out, the US is only the latest in a string of post-1500 global imperial bubbles, from Spain, to the Netherlands, to Britain, and to the US, that benefited the imperial elites with untold power and wealth. (Imagine the power that comes with issuing paper that the world will have to trust as money.) Each one was inflated, and each country went into decline, some much more painfully than others.

    So, unfortunately, the only fundamental question that faces the nation today, regardless of who is or will be the national leaders, is how the debt bubble will deflate, 'hard landing,' or 'soft landing,' etc.
     
  4. gandrews

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    A single source for information is not considered reliable or an acceptable basis upon which to build a theory. Against multiple sources from a multitude of men and women who have spent their lives in service to their country? Nope, you lose this silly argument.
    Mr. Craig Murray, UK ambassador or not wouldn't be the first high British official the Russians had bought or turned. Read your history. Nope, time to take this conspiracy theory off the table, just like all the other misinformation based theories the Trump "honest" propaganda machine spews forth to be gobbled up and parroted by his adoring "poorly educated" multitudes.
     
  5. Brewskier

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    Trump won the majority of college educated whites. The "poorly educated" insult is just one of the many reasons why snobby rich white progressive Democrats (present company excluded) lost this election.
     
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    The United States came to lead the world at the end of World War 2. The primary reason was that the United States was the only country left with a intact industrial base and a fully functioning banking system. By leaving the gold standard the dollar became the standard by which almost all trade is conducted - making the dollar stronger than any other currency.
     
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    It seems to me that the OP really needs a cup of hot chocolate, and maybe a comfort dog.
     
  8. Genius

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    How many "poorly educated" blacks voted for Hillary?
     
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    They don't keep records on that. For some reason they only do this with whites, but I'm guessing "almost all of them".
     
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    Oh please, get a grip. Take a look at what fake news can do to a person ! Here is a perfect example , these people need help.
     
  11. Genius

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    You're damned right.
     
  12. Brewskier

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    Think of it as a good thing. If the far-left wasn't scared to death about the direction of the country, I would be worried. That would mean Trump is not going towards the right, which is where the country needs to go if it hopes to recover from the progressive maelstrom that has been the Obama Presidency.
     
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    A term that has come into use lately is ‘snowflake’. It is used to describe someone of terminally delicate sensibilities that is teetering on the edge of total mental collapse because Donald Trump is our next President. These people can be easily identified by their wild forecasts of the end of either Western civilization as we know it, or the extinction of all life on Earth. Curiously, these are the same people that could not see hours ahead on November 8th, but now claim the ability to see years into the future.

    I heard on TV that the six richest men in the world are Demo crats. Do you use electricity or steel? You have those and much more due to the actions of Lords of Industry.
     
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    Yep.

    One of the hallmarks of our constitution, of our American republic, was the regular transfer of power that came to be known as Inauguration Day.

    Dozens of times over the past two hundred + years, one political party handed over power to the opposing political party in a peaceful manner. Something that is done in most other countries with soldiers carrying machine guns, threats of disruption and even assassination has always been a peaceful transfer of power in the United States.

    Until this year.

    Leftists are threatening violence. Liberal/progressive/socialist politicians are boycotting this tradition. And other leftists are supporting these actions.

    So yep, it's over. But history will show it was leftists who brought this experiment to an end...
     
  15. Seth Bullock

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    At the end of the Trump term America will still be here, we will still be a free country, and craft beer brewed in the Pacific Northwest will still have no equal. We are going to be okay.
     
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    You are not tethered to reality.
     
  17. God & Country

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    "This is the first step toward the ungodly dystopian society we so often see in films and 20 million Americans are blindly rejoicing." Yeah like in Grant Park in Chicago in 2008. There's zero proof that any foreign entity interfered in the 2016 election. There is however absolute proof that the DNC rigged Hilary's nomination yet you'll blindly accept that won't you? I grew up through boom and bust and every time there was a Republican in the White House the economy soared. Every time there was a Democrat president they rode the economic successes of their Republican predecessors and claimed those successes as their own. Democrats being Democrats just can never leave well enough alone and would attack America's benefactors (American Industry) while simultaneously spending like drunken sailors. When the money dried up they'd just borrow more. When the voters had enough they'd vote the Democrats out. This just happened again only this time the Democrat party is finished. This is a good thing. Want to see an America more in line with the vision the founding fathers had? Then sit back and watch.
     
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    Is there a word stronger than pathetic? If so insert here ____________
     
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    Frankly, I was more concerned abput the money going to Hillary's campaign from Saudi Arabia, since that seems to be where the support came for for 9-11 as well as the more extremist Muslim mosques being built in this country.
     
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    Meh, I have faith in the separation of powers.
     
  21. gandrews

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    Uh, I think you are a tad confused there little buddy. Too bad, but that quote are the EXACT words Donald J Trump used to describe his supporters after they handed him the Nevada nomination. Oopsie? rotflmao That's you bucko.
    Also, in point of fact, Trump carried the poorly educated American whites, not the college educated ones. You've really got to do your research before throwing out misinformation like that. Trump supporters could easily be seen at every voting venue because they were the ones too stupid to understand the brim of their ball caps was designed to keep the sun off their faces, not their red necks.
     
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    Well gosh, just cause you never heard about the numerous federal suits against Trump and his father for racial discrimination as landlords, I guess it never happened. Shucks, another bunch of easily checkable FACTS that have escaped another Trump supporter. Imagine that.
     
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    Says a Texas Republican? That's rich.
     
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    The closer it gets to the inauguration the higher amount of the lefty hysteria. I have posted that many times and threads like this prove me correct. I do relish the panic and hysteria. It is better than any TV show on these days. Highly entertaining. Keep up the good work!
     
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