Betsy DeVos

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  1. CrankyPant

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    Woefully unprepared for the job of Education Secretary. Got an F at her hearing. Has zero experience in public education, never attended a public school, kept her kids away from public schools. Doesn't understand basic educational goals, doesn't understand growth vs. proficiency. Thinks we need more religion in our schools, thinks they should be used to "advance God's Kingdom."

    Bernie Sanders cuts to the chase: "If you and your family hadn't given $200 million to the GOP, do you think you would be sitting here today?"
     
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    One hopes her response would have been... If we had given you $200 million dollars would we still expect to see you sitting where you are today Senator Sanders?
     
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    Good for Betsy. Get rid of the insiders. The American education system needs an enema.
     
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    Sounds like a good goal for all kids.
     
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    Do Bernie's grand-kids go to public schools? I'm fine with Public School, and public school should be one of the choices available to parents. I thought Bernie was pro-choice, or is he only for the one "choice" of sucking living babies down sinks?
     
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    Lol. What were Obama's qualifications ? He is black , has a Democrat next to his name and could do a teleprompter real good.
     
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    DeVos apparently just mentioned that she wouldn't be opposed to guns in schools:

    "Murphy: Do you think guns have any place in or around schools?

    DeVos: That is best left to locales and states to decide. If the underlying question is —

    Murphy: You can't say definitively today that guns shouldn't be in schools?

    DeVos: I will refer back to (Wyoming) Senator (Mike) Enzi and the school he was talking about in Wyoming. I think probably there, I would imagine that there is probably a gun in the schools to protect from potential grizzlies.

    Murphy: If President Trump moves forward with his plan to ban gun free school zones, will you support that?

    DeVos: I will support what the president-elect does. If the question is around gun violence and the results of that, please know that my heart bleeds and is broken for those families that have lost any individual due to gun violence.

    Murphy: I look forward to working with you, but I also look forward to you coming to Connecticut to talk about the role of guns in schools.
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    Dismantle public schools, promote private schools and guns in schools, is this what we have to look forward to?
     
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    Guess the only thing we can do is learn from the success of Bernie, Barack and the geniuses
    Here's the budget, including the Stimulus kicker from wiki and results in the form of world ranking from sources below:
    ................Base.............ARRA.......................Reading.....Math............Science
    2009.......$32B..........$102B = $134B
    2010.......$56B............$51B = $107B...............14th........25th...............17th
    2011.......$71B............$23B =...$94B
    2012.......$68B............$19B =...$98B.............17th........27th................20th
    2013.......$70B.....................=...$70B

    2015 ..................................................................24th........41st...............25th

    Wanna know how hard it is for Bernie, Barack and their geniuses to manage 41st place in Math? The Slovak Republic beat us.

    Now, what were you saying about Betsy DeVos?

    2010
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

    2012
    http://www.oecd.org/pisa/keyfindings/PISA-2012-results-US.pdf

    2015
    http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12
     
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    So you want to place someone who doesn't know what she's doing and has shown she has little to no understanding of what's going on? We know she is behind Michigan's charter movement.
    http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...n-charter-schools-but-fails-to-hold/77155074/

    Why do you want someone who has failed her state to be in charge of failing every's children?
     
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    The federal government should stay out of state and local matters. The more Federal involvement, the worse our kids fair against the rest of the world. Do you want our kids to keep failing to compete with the rest of the world? That's what you geniuses did to our education system. The more Federal spending, the worse the results. Common Core is garbage imposed on kids by unaccountable bureaucrats.
     
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    Do you really want that? No more second amendment rights for anyone because the constitution only applies to the federal level. No more free speech protections, no more federal aid to the states, so Mississippi, one of the poorest states in the union can continue being poor because it lacks access to the credit it would otherwise have if there was federal spending there. Federal involvement actually does a lot of good.

    No. No for so many reasons, mainly because education has been a local issue. Our funding system is based on communities providing the funds. Good for rich communities, not so much for the poorer ones.

    Says the one engaged in hyperbole.

    Common core isn't bad, the local schools did bad jobs implenting it.
     
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    But, but, but we need to allow open carry in schools because of....grizzly bears. Her words, not mine.

    Yep, our school systems are f*cked.
     
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    State and local school boards are easily taken over by extremists, as we've seen in Texas and other places.
    Say what you want about America's schools, but letting an inexperienced billionaire with a religious agenda buy her way into being in charge is not the answer.
     
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    Getting rid of the insiders is no excuse for naming unsuited or inexperienced people to replace them.
    Pretty clearly Betsy DeVos bought herself a cabinet position. Disgusting.
     
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    Wow. She did? And she didn't use the Clinton Foundation to get there??? How on earth is that possible??
     
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    Who got fired for dropping our kids from 14th to 24th place in Reading over 5 years of massive spending and Federal intrusion?
    Who got fired for dropping our kids from 25th to 41st place in Math over 5 years of massive spending and Federal intrusion?
    Who got fired for dropping our kids from 17th to 25st place in Science over 5 years of massive spending and Federal intrusion?

    Arne Duncan left in January 2016 ,,,, the media giving him accolades for being willing to fight for the Federal government to have too big a role in education and screwing up a generation of kids.
     
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    Yeah. Too bad we couldn't find another President with a phone and pen to teach us how it feels to be ruled by a dictator of a Banana Republic. It was part of America to have the IRS audit people who disagreed with the ruler and slow walk applications for tax free expression of American values the ruler didn't share. Your America must be where a reporter who works for the wrong network is investigated by the Department of Justice and where the NSA ruler can exercise a general warrant, running surveillance on the general public and lying about it under oath in Congress without consequences
     
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    Understands competition and how the unions don't help the students. Great pick.
     
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    So the educators are to blame? That's typical leftist deflection for failure. It's always someone else's fault. It could never be the idiotic idea that leftists dreamed up, huh.
     
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    I have no idea where that even came from. I blame a lot of things because any one thing problem wasn't the problem but them all working together created the problem. Also, do you really want to make that deflection argument as you end up pointing the finger at some far away distant federal government in Washington DC for your local schools' problems.
     
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    Education was far better in this country before the Department of Education was founded in 1979. All in all, education is in a deplorable state, especially in big Democrat run black neighborhoods.
     
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    Yes, education was much better when there was separate but equal education.
     
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    Good with me! Maybe we can reverse the current Liberal indoctrination centers and actually teach our children fundamental that will make them productive and not liberal ideologue's and proponents for laziness, dependency and cowardice in the face of adversity!
     
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    Totally different topic.
     
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    With Arne what's-his-face, it was the status quo-----terrible...most people don't even know who served in that capacity for Obama. That's how bad he/they was/were...
     

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