"Progressive"...towards what?

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Dear Progressives;

    What are you trying to progress the world towards? What is the ideology and beliefs that you have that is all new and different and "forward" thinking that has never been tried before that will take mankind into the future, aka "progress human society further"?

    Is it your ideas on abortions and birth control and free love? Romans had that thought. They made an entire species of plant go extinct cause of over use for birth control. So, that's not really "future thinking", that's been done in the past.

    What about your views on same sex and homosexuality? Again, that was done by Romans, Greeks, Middle eastern cultures today (they don't look down on men raping boys fyi), and Persians. That's not new.

    How about pure democracy? Again, Greeks tried it, not new.

    Socialism? Been tried, and fail, countless time, even before it had a name of socialism. The early American colonist tried it, and came up with the exact same flaw we have today. People took more than they produced.

    "Equality"? How can you ever achieve that when no one is actually equal in ability, physical, mental, or emotionally?

    A select few to rule over everyone to make sure everyone gets the same amount (socialism, feudal system, communism, fascism) evenly? So, none of these ideas are new or very "progressive", so do you just like to feel safe under the word to make yourselves feel more intelligent and enlightened, even though you are falling back on medieval ideology?
     
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    The current primary goal of most American "progressives" is war.

    Many want to restore the 1950s Cold War, fill Europe with troops, missiles, more nuclear weapons and more US military bases. Those self-declared progressives also want the the NSA and CIA to take over and control all government foreign policy decisions seeking essentially a military "intelligence" coup takeover of the government to pursue war with Russia.
     
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    How is that "progressive"? Its been tried and failed. Funny thing is, the cold war was capitalism (west) fighting against communism (east). Today the west is the socialist/communist progressives against the east which is more capitalist. So, like most everything they do, they claim a false, positive sounding word to name themselves, and smear everyone else with negative words, like racist.

    But I would love for a progressive to actually come here and tell me why they think the left is so "progressive".
     
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    "Progressive" and "Liberal" have become oxymorons in today's political culture. It now stands for fascist central (preferably global) government control of thought and policing of. such. Nobody should ever be offended and safe spaces for all. :clapping:
     
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    Progressives are trying to make progress in helping you to understand the truth instead of your confused theories about everything.

    It is necessary to start at the beginning. So first, let me tell you that the needs and class interests of the working class are opposite those of the capitalist class. So, the question for you is, do you believe the basic purpose for society is to provide for the people, or to provide for business? Since they are at cross purposes, it is impossible to do both well at the same time. Which do you believe?
     
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    When exactly was Greece a "pure democracy" and when did the Romans ever try "free love"?
     
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    That's not progressive. That's a strawman.

    Not all elements of the left are progressive just like not all elements of the right-wing are regressive.
     
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    Just curious, how exactly is the East "more capitalist"?
     
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    No, they are not at cross purposes. One provides for the other. Capitalism provides incentive for growth and development. The "people" provide labor, consumption. and choices that drive businesses. Capitalism requires regulation without doubt, but it provides the most freedom and opportunity of any system proposed so far.
     
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    The goal is Marxist chaos.
     
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    True progressives prided themselves on their applications of emerging social sciences and scientific management techniques, believing that through science, socities ills could be cured. Adhering to the doctrine of pragmatism, which held that the meaning and truth of all concepts and phenomena were determined by their practical consequences, Progressives launched studies on pressing contemporary issues including alcoholism, prostitution, and immigration.

    Todays progressives are not progressives but something more evil who hide behind the progressive label.

    True American progressives are nationalist, advocates of immigration restrictions, drug laws, protectionism, etc.

    But the American people rejected progressivism and the Bull Moose Party became history.

    Those hiding behind the progressive label today are mostly Marxist, Maoist, international socialist who practice or more correctly force cultural-marxism upon society.
     
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    This is exactly right. Modern day progressives hijacked the term because "socialist", "Leninist", and "Trotskyist" became taboo words in society, and raised too many red flags. Sure, they still want some of the things that original progressives wanted, like universal healthcare, but the original progressives would have never wanted to replace the white majority in their countries with non-whites from the 3rd world in order to obtain political power. Quite the opposite, especially when you look at the views of progressive icons like Woodrow Wilson and others.
     
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    Sorry but that is not the truth it is only your ideology.

    It is far more easily proven that that needs and interests of all are the same and there are no such classes.

    But of course your limited brainwashing will not allow you to consider those truths
     
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    Todays progressives should be labeled neo-progressives. They are no more progressive than neo-cons are conservatives.

    Todays neo-progressives have dirtied the word, progressive.

    Theodore Roosevelt was a progressive and so was Woodrow Wilson. Both were immigration restrictionists. Woodrow Wilson meets the true definition of being a racist.
     
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    Society needs to provide for one owns self, and family if chosen to have one. Society doesn't need to provide for anyone outside the home if they don't feel the want to. What you don't understand is that the idea that society "needs" to provide anything to anyone is completely bassakwards and had been tried many times before. Human nature, you know, SCIENCE, shows us that humans will always think of themselves the majority of the time. Society is a voluntary congregation of humans to help protect against enemies.
     
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    Then it's a damn good thing modern progressives aren't Wilsonian progresssives.

    Or do you think that brand of progressivism should return? You seem to be supportive of that kind of progressivism in your earlier post. Are you pro-racist progressivism?
     
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    Ok, Spartans and Athens had pure democracies. Romans were all about sex with anyone they chose to. Male or female, same sex or hetero, they were a promiscuous culture.

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    Ok, valid point.

    Then clarify some if you will.
     
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    Isn't there a Comedy section this should be posted in? Progressive's idea of the truth is whatever CNN or MSNBC tells them it is.
     
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    Right, the same people who took the word of "liberal" also took the word "progressive" and perverted them to not mean what they used to. The words sound good, but in all actuality, don't really represent what people think they mean. Mental gymnastics are needed to feel good about calling yourself those terms.
     
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    1. Sparta was a military dictatorship and Athens was an oligarchy.

    How were either "pure democracies"?

    2. Roman culture was incredibly prudish and conservative when it came to sex. The Christian propaganda stories about Roman orgies were fabrications.
     
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    The deplorables of the early 20th Century rejected progressivism at the polls.

    But you are on the right trail. the progressives during the American progressive era and the fake progressives of today deep down are racist. Today's fake progressives hyphenate all Americans based upon race and ethnicity.
     
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    Ya think? You're trying to defend capitalism's realities on the ground by citing textbook theories on its "glorious and attractive advantages" that don't really work.

    Is it not true that any capitalist will pay workers no more than what is estimated to be necessary to get the workers he wants to do the work he wants done in the particular economic conditions as they are? And doesn't that mean that they want to pay the least because labor is an important cost of business? And doesn't that mean that today many millions of good manufacturing jobs have been mored overseas to save big on labor costs?

    So business wants labor for the least cost. But in contradiction to that, business also wants to sell what it produces to workers. But the workers don't have sufficient spendable income to consume all that business want to sell because businesses have reduced the buying power of the workers. Can you say "contradiction"?
     
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    Just cause you have a single view point with someone that happened to be racist, that doesn't make you a racist. Just like an atheist is no more a Christian just because they both believe murder is wrong. Limiting immigration and stopping all illegal immigration for the sake of all AMERICAN workers doesn't put you on par with the racist Woodrow Wilson.
     
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    I don't see you offering anything. I guess you're stumped.
     
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    Exactly the opposite.

    I am defending capitalism because the reality is that regulated capitalism has produced a higher standard of living for more people than anything else that has been tried.

    You on the other hand espouse a system that is purely from textbook theories andf has no evidence to back it up.
     

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