The Left's newfound interest in the Constitution, and why it's important.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Many of us have heard Leftists tout the value of the constitution, which is such an oxymoron on its face that they would believe in a document that they themselves called a 'relic' of the past. But now, with the advent of Donald J. Trump, they seem to exalt its values and virtues! Are they truly trying to stand up for the United States against this 'diabolical evil'?

    No, not exactly. And it's not so much a love for the Constitution, as it is how useful the Constitution(as a vague document) is for Leftist Ideology. For the Left, which sees perpetual class warfare and racial differences, etc the Constitution exists as an ability(in this particular case) to defuse the power of the legislative branch(IE:Trump). It also has the added bonus of being able to avert blame for any wrong doings(we can't do it, the constitution says we can't!)

    (It says no such thing, BTW.) The political trust and power the Left is putting into the Constitution is fake, the Left didn't love it then and they don't love it now. They see it as a vehicle to stop Donald Trump, as well as to weaken the presidency itself(and overall the Nation)

    When they say "The Constitution is a living document", what they really want to say is "We have the authority to do what we want, when we want." They're now making the inverse argument, but it's only temporary. The Constitution is the mask, behind a Left power grab.

    Now, I'm a Fascist-Technocrat. I'm an independent. And I actually believe the Constitution doesn't have any political relevance. It's a set of rules(laws), that we must follow. But it is nothing more or less than this. And according to the Declaration of Independence, we may either abolish or reform government to assure our domestic happiness.

    (Of course, our two-party political system would rather I NOT quote that segment lol.) When the Republic became the Democracy, and when the Democracy became an Oligarchy, the Constitution's meaning had become a historic 'document', but it was no longer a guidepost for the country.

    I believe in Empire, and I will believe in Empire until the day I die. I believe George Washington should have accepted the crown, and if he had, the 'peddling influence' doesn't exist in 2016 politics in the US. The political statesman who stands above the rest cannot be bribed. He has nothing to gain, he has all of the political power necessary. He can only lose by taking bribes. His centralized political power, and the centralized political country, unified under the flag of his country can never be fundamentally broken.

    Centralism, is the key to world power. The strongest countries are the most cohesive. So in order to preserve our world power status, I seek to centralize the de-centralized and quickly breaking apart Union. I cannot do this with a Constitution that at this point solely exists for the Left to wave around while dismissing it. Or for a Conservative to hold it up as some virtuous value that once was, but no longer will be.

    Rather than subject the Founders's invention of America to this pitiful fate, I'd rather transform America into a world power.
     
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    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Haha. Much love, brother. Did you listen to his inauguration speech?
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    I did indeed, and it quelled a lot of my concerns. Of course, it didn't for the certain Americans I mentioned in this rebuttal here but I honestly expected that. Trump derangement Syndrome is a REAL thing, and it's already exceeded Bush Derangement Syndrome by leaps and bounds. It's at the point to where even if Trump is wildly successful, the Left will not lend its political support to him.

    That's his greatest challenge right now, there are Americans who are wholly opposed to him and his agenda, that they will do everything legislatively and otherwise(and this exists on both sides of the aisle.) It wouldn't be a far fetched thing to say that both Republicans(conservatives) and Democrats(Liberals) would like to see him fail for similar reasons. Which is the biggest utter farce. In a paradoxical sense, Trump has united them in opposition.(Of course, this type of alliance is only temporary and is not a lasting condition for fixing the country's ills.)

    Even if they should overcome what they perceive as the rise of 'fascism' through Trump(Trump has no ideology, they themselves acknowledged this. It's just what they pinned on him.), they will IMMEDIATELY go right back to debating amongst themselves of their litany of inefficient and incorrect solutions to the country's problems.

    Really, if Trump fails, what'll happen is a big "what do we do now?" Because no one would still trust the Republicans and Democrats(I think I'm starting to understand why you said a Trump failure doesn't matter to our idealism.) Because our ideal would not be tainted, just Trump itself.

    For Republicans, to have regained their relevance they needed to show an ability to work with the President(Obama). Now, with Trump, for the two parties to retain their relevance, they must work with Trump. If they insist on bringing Trump down, the whole anchor is big enough to bring all of them down.
     
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    True.

    "progressives" do not follow the law, but they use the law to hamstring law abiding people. For the next 4 years the progs will be waving the Constitution and interpreting in the best tradition of original intent, all to thwart Trump in the rollback of the obama/socialist prog agenda.

    But as soon as the progs gain control of Congress or the White House, they will throw that Constitution in the trash heap.

    The only hope the nation has to regain its freedom is for Trump to ram through an agenda which drastically dismantles the federal govt, returning so much power to the states that it will be another 200 years before the progs can concentrate power in DC.
     
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    The biggest thing will be 2018. It is really looking like a nationalist sweep. McCain, Graham, and Rubio are done, and I wouldn't be surprised to see all 3 do a party flip to stay in Washington, as Zionists use their willingness to address globalism to take the advantage via FOX, and brand democrats the globalists. They've already been doing it for over a month, with tons of success. The other stations still have not broke from protocol outside of CBS, so watching them is a weird surreal experience for anyone who stays on top of things.

    Another huge thing will be to see if some democrats actually start to switch to nationalism to not get punished by their own constituencies as people catch on to what is actually going down through word-of-mouth.

    But yeah, push we need a nationalist congress, not a republican congress. The main reason being just to keep the ones in there with their eyes on the prize.
     
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    Democrats become Nationalists? I'd love to see it(as a huge part of the Nationalist movement came from people like myself, who were former Blue Dog Democrats.) But I see progressives to be quite obstinate people. Especially as Nationalism(the word itself) is connected with Donald Trump. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any connection to him really.

    So if there is a Nationalist sweep in 2018(I'll do my best), we can be ascertain that it will be an authentic sweep into power, and we'll also have far more of a hold on power than the TP did during their failed revolution. It's an exciting time for America, for the first time a national thesis can be borne and developed.
     
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    Weird, isn't it? It's also weird when the discover Jesus when it suits their desire to take from those who have to give to those who want it.
     
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    Both extremes bith sides tout the Constitution or in reality their interpretation of the Constitution as it firs their needs or wants. You OP make noises as if only the extreme right wing knows what the Constitution means. You are no more correct than those extreme left wingers and occupy everything are in their flaunting their disrespect for the Constitution.

    You accuse the "left" of using the Constitution as a mask to unsurp authority. Maybe done have and do but the extremists on the right and their naive followers have and do use the Constitution to to block other from their Constitutional rights.

    As for your ramblings about empire well if you are serious and not just blowing off excess gas I say go youbthat you need to leave this country and go to where you will be much much more comfortable and happy - go to Russia where you have an evil piece of human Fecal matter who wants to restore an empire. Go and live under a Putinocrcy and Czarist prison and a Nazi type regime thatvspeaks Russian instead of German. Leave, leave now, leave at whatever your desired means of travel fits your budget, but leave.
     
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    I just don't understand why Democrats hate America so much . What is their problem?
     
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    Completely oblivious. On everything.

    Even the sig. It's, "Mattis".

    Don't quit your day job.
     
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    If the left has found out there is a Constitution, this is a good thing. Better late than never.
     
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    Politicians and criminals and criminal politicians "all find Jesus" especially when they end up in prison. We had a governor here in Connecticut, John Ronald who is now serving hus second term for corruption and election fraud. I am sure you Trump supporters think that he is a Democrat. Wrong! He is a Republican and was once on the short list for VEEP.
     
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    You have to remember the left thinks the constitution protects illegal immigration, and that the second amendment is about an armed militia and a host of other nonsense.
     
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    I do not see that Democrats "hate" America but if you do then you need to display a concrete example of a Democrat who hates America but you must show explicitly what actions/ words of his proove that he hates America. Then you need to ask that Democrat why he hates America but as I said show us your incontrovertible proof that he hates America. Your opinion is not proof.

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    What in the hell are you yapping about?
     
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    I stopped reading after I read this

    And I actually believe the Constitution doesn't have any political relevance

    Nothing this poster or this thread has to say means anything after that
     
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    Democrats do NOT hate America. They hate people that CLAIM they hate America
     
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    You may think that the Constitution has no political relevance. Who cares. The Constitution is in place as the LAW of the land and is politically blind. Obey the law, and you will get along fine.
     
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    You need to learn how to read.

    And your interest in the Constitution stops at your misreading of the 2nd Amendment
     
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    Yup. The change being made is foundational, and returns power to where it belongs: with the people.

    Yes, but as the Obama administration showed, the left finds the Constitution helpful when they're not in control; when they are in control, their disregard of the document is fairly complete.

    Me too. Completely ludicrous.
     
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    If the "left" thinks that the Constitution protects illegal immigrants then the "left " is just as wrong as you are if you think that the Constitution, Specifically the second amendment does not call for a well regulated militia because it does indeed call for a militia. If the "left" thinks that our right to bear arms is limltted to bearing arms only within a well regulated militia they are wrong because the Constitution does not state that beating of arms is limited to within a well regulated militia.
     
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    It seems to be that they (we, I) understand what America IS, and you do not.

    To me America IS its Constitution, at least essentially, along with its history of interpretation by the Supreme Court. Nationalism, as I define it, and Constitutionalism are not at odds in America, they are one and the same

    But let's define our terms, I have asked before what the "nationalists" here believe nationalism to be and don't believe I got an answer (though I may never have checked back), so I will ask again, what is this nationalism you all speak of so highly?

    Also what is your definition of an Empire?

    And probably most important, what is your definition of America? What are you being Nationalistic about?
     
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    How wrong your are. I have a booklet with the Constitution right here next to my computer. Further I think the founding fathers that wrote it were some of the most brilliant people ever in the history of the country. I also believe it should be obeyed not interpreted.
     
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    The Constitution simply only PROTECTS that "right" within the context of a militia.It's doesn't limit the ownership of arms...it simply doesn't address it outside of it's use within a militia. That scope lies with the states.

    And for the record...the only part of the Constitution that most conservatives care about IS their misreading of the 2nd

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    So you want to re-institute slavery?
     
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    Michelle Obama? You have short memories.
     

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