Seven Truths for Democrats......

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  1. MMC

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    From Robert Reich the Democrat.....basically what he is saying. Is the Demo party needs to get rid of the illiberals in order to remain a party. What say ye?





    The ongoing contest between the Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders wings of the Democratic Party continues to divide Democrats. It’s urgent Democrats stop squabbling and recognize seven basic truths:


    The Party is on life support. Democrats are in the minority in both the House and Senate, with no end in sight. Since the start of the Obama Administration they’ve lost 1,034 state and federal seats. They hold only governorships, and face 32 state legislatures fully under GOP control. No one speaks for the party as a whole. The Party’s top leaders are aging, and the back bench is thin.


    The future is bleak unless the Party radically reforms itself. If Republicans do well in the 2018 midterms, they’ll control Congress and the Supreme Court for years. If they continue to hold most statehouses, they could entrench themselves for a generation.


    The Party’s moneyed establishment – big donors, major lobbyists, retired members of congress who have become bundlers and lobbyists – are part of the problem. Even though many consider themselves “liberal” and don’t recoil from an active government, their preferred remedies spare corporations and the wealthiest from making any sacrifices.


    The Party must change from being a giant fundraising machine to a movement. It needs to unite the poor, working class, and middle class, black and white – who haven’t had a raise in 30 years, and who feel angry, powerless, and disenfranchised.


    If the Party doesn’t understand these seven truths and fails to do what’s needed, a third party will emerge to fill the void......snip~

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/22/seven_truths_for_democrats_132868.html
     
  2. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

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    The Party is on life support......snip~

    Now those of you of the leftness. Make note of that reality. As its, a Real Democrat telling you like it is.
     
  3. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know liberals seem to be losing their grip on reality. Snowflake politically correct safe zones on college campuses really? I'm not buying any of that crap it has to be media hype.
     
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    Trump will make it all better just by being Trump.

    Just wait until the suckers of America realize what they've done.
     
  5. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

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    Like Reich frequently reminds illiberals.....took all those Democrats voting for Trump to win. As the Repubs alone couldn't give him the victory.

    But he does notice how the unhinged, is making worse for that Demo Party.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    What is in that article I found kind of goes in hand with what I've been saying. That the New Deal Democratic Party, the party of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, is dead. It has morphed into a more progressive party, with people such as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. That's really where the direction of the party is headed, and that's where democrats need to be putting their focus in. The article really reminds me of my prediction that progressivism is the future of the country, America is not a fascist, or even nationalist country. Progressivism is what will move America forward. Rather than fight against it, we need to embrace it.
     
  7. MMC

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    Yes progressivism, that moves to socialism and the floating ship that thinks it can take everyone onboard and that capacity isn't important.

    Most will pass on that free ride.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a Democrat who no longer respects my party. Here's what I think: Get rid of the progs. They have usurped the party and changed the ideology from one of inclusiveness and liberality to one of angry bigoted seperatists - kind of back to the 1800's. Ironic they call themselves "progressives" when they clearly are regressive.

    Liberal - the way I use and understand the word - means tolerance. Doesn't matter if you actually agree with another person's choices, you allow them the freedom to make those choices without rancor and vilification unless they disrupt the peaceful and orderly fabric of our society. That is certainly not the case with progs.

    Bernie Sanders was a feeler for the neo-communists. He never intended to take the throne from Hillary, he was dangled out there to see how many people would swallow his socialist rhetoric. The big mistake: people supported Bernie as an alternative and did not believe his socialist views would have any consequence due to the built in safety measures in our constitution.

    The Democrats follow a behavior I have found interesting all my life - and disgusting as well. IDENTITY chasing. Just like the star football player or prom queen who everyone wanted to be best friends with in high school, so Democrats yearn to rub shoulders with celebrities, personalities of some sort or another, without the least bit of critical thinking on who those people are. They desperately want to be among the "in-crowd" - I think because they have no spine and no self awareness of their own uniqueness. These little star-power orgies of self congratulation really sicken me.

    Narcicism - please read: http://www.enddomesticabuse.org/article_narcissistic_politics_abuse_signs_524.php?gclid=CKLK7-qn1tECFUtNfgod3S0PgQ
    It describes the seven tell-tale signs of narcissistic abusers. When one understands these signs, the politics of narcissistic abuse becomes obvious.

    Co-dependency, hypocrisy, and denial - Co-dependency goes back to identity politics, where the person says "where ever you go, I'm following" and "I'm nothing without you". Which is why there is no logic regarding consistent behavior and ideology, and a need to deny. Michael Savage said "liberalism is a mental illness". I can see that in the devout left - he is correct!

    One question I'm still chewing on -- what is it about New York, California and Chicago that make people mentally ill en-masse? Lack of pure oxygen? Tainted water? Drugs?
     
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    Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders harken back to New Deal Democrats. Bill Clinton betrayed that part of the Democratic party and shifted the party far to the right (essentially moving them to the center). That is where the centers of power in the Democratic party have remained ever since. The problem with that, is that the right didn't just allow the Democratic party to maintain their place at the center, they responded to the Democrats move to the center by moving radically to the right. They then acted as if the centrist Democrats in power like Obama, Hillary, Harry Reid, etc were Maoists in disguise. Don't let their actions fool you, they said they really want communist revolution (they would then talk about Obama and Hillary's connections to big banks and big business, but intellectual consistency isn't a strong suit of the far right).

    What we need to do is go back to the days of New Deal Democrats. We need to make a commitment to Unions, a commitment to building working class and middle class coalitions, a commitment to holding capitalists to account, a commitment to environmental protection, a commitment to justice for minorities, etc. Since about 1992 Democrats have only ever committed to the last part of that and that was only so they could maintain the illusion of progressivism. It came back to bite them this year, because it meant that the Democratic party became a party of identity politics. When you have a battle of identity politics and you take the side of minorities and abandon the majority, it turns out to be an unsurprisingly bad electoral strategy.
     
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    I don't know what to think. They say the Democratic party is on life support but they don't say why.

    Instead of a serious inquiry into why the Democrats lost the election we got it was Russian hacking and Trump is an illegitimate President. (which by the way, I'm a Democrat but I wasn't upset that Trump won.)

    The Democratic party thinks it's time to remove the old foggies and put into power a younger demographic. Well, they say young minds, fresh ideas... But I don't know. I mean I didn't change my stance that the government should pay for Planned Parenthood, and that there should be abortions, and that they should sell the body parts for research, for money. :razz:

    In other words I didn't throw out the Democrat's platform because Trump won the election.
     
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    No...the modern Democratic Party does NOT need to embrace the rampant "progressive" movement being embodied by people like "Fauxcahontas" Warren! She is an absolute socialist in the purest form of the word. That is NOT something the majority of the American people embrace -- and rightly so.

    Progressives used to at least have some semblance of common sense about them. There is nothing wrong with wanting to advance beyond a stagnant mindset of rejecting any and all change - but there's a limit beyond which we, as a Nation, should NEVER allow ourselves to proceed.

    Imagine how many more truly good things could have been accomplished in the 50+ years since the concept of "free-thinking" liberal progressivism was hijacked by the rabid loons who now infest the Democratic Party and have tainted an otherwise noble platform with their oppressive, politically-charged social engineering tactics.

    The original concept of "liberalism" involved freedom of thought that sought to change stagnant paradigms held in place by selfishness, avarice, and greed. Instead, modern liberalism now encompasses and embraces concepts like "social justice", "income inequality", and "a level playing field" - which are simply kinder, more genteel terms for outright social engineering and are, in truth, class warfare-based thought control.

    Had all those free-thinking progressives not allowed their platform to be taken over by absolute radicals whose goals now promote tyranny in the name of forcing some warped vision of guaranteed "equality", their accomplishments wouldn't now be overshadowed by the regressive reality we now must resist to protect actual personal freedom.

    Not everyone in this country wants to live their life in a state of dependence on the collective. That includes many mainstream democrats!

    We see modern "progressive" liberalism playing out in Europe - and those of us with the ability to actually learn lessons from history see what the 21st century liberal ideology leads to. We do not accept that as our eventual fate - therefore we fight it with our most powerful weapon we have: our vote.

    Thankfully, our Founding Fathers also had the ability and wisdom to actually learn from history and gave us the Electoral College so we have a mechanism to defeat the collectivists' "popular vote" folly of willing fools voting for charlatans who exploit the uninformed lemmings by promising them that "social justice" in exchange for their votes and unquestioning acquiescence.

    If modern progressives can manage to see outside the bubble in which they live, they will realize that this election was a referendum against that oppression they foolishly allowed to infiltrate their platform -- and they will right their course and center themselves with common sense!
     
  12. MMC

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    Lead in the water, lead in paint, I wouldn't put it past them to put lead in their drugs. :grin:

    On a good note.....Chicago population has fallen down to the 1940 level. More business small and large are leaving. Then after they taxed miniature golf and bowling, more people are leaving. NY and California are disasters waiting to happen.

    Question is.....should the rest of the country help bail them out, or help put them under.
     
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    Good post. I couldn't agree more. It's a shame what's happened to the democrat party. This country was great when the two parties worked for the good of the country. I'm not sure either does now, but I'm certain the communists, i mean democrats, are not
     
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    Sssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


    Shush now!


    Don't tell the Democrats how to save their sinking party.


    They will keep their Ill-Liberals, and smile about it!


    We NEED them to keep their Ill-Liberals!


    Its for the best, I'm sure....



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    Nah. It's fun to keep telling them because we know that the vast majority of them lack the common sense necessary to comprehend what we are telling them. Some very few do have common sense of a sort, of course, and they don't need telling, but then again THOSE are the ones frozen out of power in the Dem Party simply because inevitably they are not nation-hating radicals. Ironic, yes?
     
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    The 'why' is Obamacare, illegals, jobs and businesses moving overseas, taxes, the EPA, IRS, their racism, refugees, terrorism, ISIS, global warming costs, TPP, anti law enforcement, embracing BLM, cronyism, corruption, their contempt of American tradition, kneeling during the National Anthem, burning the flag, endless protests often associated with violence and destruction, putting labels on everything and playing identity and class politics, and on and on. I don't think Reich wants to point out to his readers all the flaws his party is associated with and it would bury them for a long time.
     
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    Obama's ACHIVEMENTS:

    • Obama is the first President in American history to be at war for(*)every single day of an 8 year presidency.
    • Obama has carried out 10x more drone strikes than Bush ever did. Every Tuesday a military aide presents Obama with a “kill list”, and the “decent, gracious” Obama picks a few names off a list…and kills them. And their families. And their neighbors. These illegal acts of state-sanctioned murder have killed hundreds of civilians in 5 different countries in 2016 alone. The only reason that number isn’t higher, is that the Obama administration(*)re-classified all males over 18 as combatants, regardless of occupation.
    • After declaring he wanted to(*)build a “nuclear free world”, Obama committed to spending $1 TRILLION dollars on(*)rebuilding America’s nuclear weapons.
    • Under Obama, the NSA et al. were able to spy on, essentially, the whole world. When this was revealed, not a single intelligence officer or government official was prosecuted. Instead…
    • Obama’s administration declared a “war on whistleblowers”, enacting new laws and initiating what they call the(*)“Insider Threat Program”. Manning was prosecuted, Snowden sent into exile and Assange was set-up, discredited and (they hoped) extradited. It has never been more dangerous to be a government whistle-blower, than under Barack Obama
    • In terms of foreign policy, despite his press-created and nonsensical reputation as a non-interventionist, American Special Forces are currently operating in over 70% of the world’s 195 countries. The great lie is that, where Bush was a warmonger, Obama has sought to avoid conflict. The truth is that Obama, in the grand tradition of the CIA and American Imperial power, has simply turned all America’s wars into covert wars.
    • Before Obama came into office, Libya was the richest and most developed nation in Africa. It is now a hell-hole. Destroyed by war, hollowed-out by corruption. The “liberal” press allow him to agonize over this as his(*)“greatest mistake”, and then gently pardon him for his good intentions. The truth is that Libya was not a mistake, or a misjudgment, or an unforeseen consequence. Libya is exactly what America wanted it to become. A failed state where everything is for sale, a base to pour illegal CIA weapons south into Africa and east into the ME. When war is your economy, chaos is good for business. When secrecy is your weapon, anarchy is ammunition. Libya went according to plan. A brutal plan that killed 100,000s and destroyed the lives of millions more. Libya, like Iraq, is a neocon success story. Syria on the other hand…
    • Syria, probably the word that will follow Obama out of office as “Iraq” did his predecessor, is a total failure. Both of stated intent and covert goals. Where the press will mourn Obama’s “indecisive nature” and wish he’d “used his big stick”, the real story is one of evil incompetence, so great that it would be almost comical…if it hadn’t destroyed an ancient seat of civilization and killed 100,000s of people. Syria (along with Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Iran and Sudan) was on the list of the 7 countries America intended to destroy, famously(*)“leaked” by General Wesley Clark. After the fall of Libya, Syria was (essentially) surrounded by American military on all sides. Iraq, Israel, Turkey and America operating out of Libya could pour “freedom fighters” into Syria to bring down “the regime”. When that didn’t work they deployed the trusty “WMD” method, to demand “humanitarian intervention”…the Russians saw that off. Then “ISIS” was created by the CIA, as al-Qaida were before them, and their manufactured barbarism was used as a pretext for invasion. The Russians, again, saw to it that this would not happen.
    • Perhaps in the hope of distracting Russia from the ME, or perhaps merely as a short-sighted punitive measure, the Obama’s administration next foreign policy target was Ukraine. Victoria Nuland’s own voice proves how much that “color revolution” was an American creation. Ukraine is broke, even more broke than it was, its people starve and freeze through the winter. The new “democratic government” has shelled 10,000 people to death in the East of the country….using American weapons.
    • In Yemen, the poorest country in the ME is being bombed to shreds by the richest….again, using American (and British) weapons. Obama’s “defense of democracy” doesn’t extend to criticizing, or even discussing, the abhorrent Human Rights record of America’s Saudi Arabian allies, and in an act of brazen hypocrisy, even supported their chairing of the Human Rights Council of the UN.
     
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    Democrats are in the minority in both the House and Senate, with no end in sight. Since the start of the Obama Administration they’ve lost 1,034 state and federal seats. They hold only 17 governorships, and face 32 state legislatures fully under GOP control. No one speaks for the party as a whole. The Party’s top leaders are aging, and the back bench is thin......snip~





    Looks like Reich said why to me.
     
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    Yes, the idea that everyone in the Democrat party is old and they need young people. That's what they think...

    But I'm a democrat and I didn't abandon the Democrat party platform. I don't care about the age of my representatives.

    It seems they found the wrong reason for why people aren't voting Democrat.
     
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    Identity politics will do that to a party.....but with the Repubs holding 66 out of 99 State Legislatures and the Demos having 25 Senate seats up in 2018. While they only control 5 States totally.

    The Repubs will end controlling redistricting. Which say nothing about the SCOTUS.

    Reich is sounding the alarms and it is as he said, if they cant turn it around. They will end up leaving an opening for a 3rd party and their end.
     

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