Trump wants more indigent babies

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump wants to defund Planned Parenthood, decrease Welfare, and make abortion illegal.

    what will this lead to? more babies in poverty.

    their mothers will demand government support.

    abortion, is a tool of family planning. It allows women to decide when they will start a family.

    it should not be used instead of contraception, but its still part of the system of family planning.

    why does Trump want more poor kids to feed/house/clothe/educate?
     
  2. Balto

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    Honestly, what is so bad about PP that it needs to be defunded? What is the logic behind forcing women to go through pregnancies, and taking away the resources that low-income women have? Welfare is a necessary resource to get people through hard times, unfortunately it has become abused, but it is still necessary. That "killing babies" gibberish, and those phony PP videos, that doesn't pass the smell test.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    unless they are gonna force women to use birth control or gte their tubs tied, there WILL be more poor babies.
     
  4. Dayton3

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    To encourage more responsible conduct to begin with.

    Self discipline, self control, and personal responsibility will serve women (and men) far better than simply being able to avoid having a baby will.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you support ending cancer treatment for folks who get lung cancer by smoking?

    end drug treatment for addicts?
     
  6. JakeJ

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    End the LBJ plan of paying poor single women to have babies as their career choice.
     
  7. Balto

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    You do know PP provides abstinence resources, right? Its more than just abortions.
     
  8. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.
     
  9. Bowerbird

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    What you will get is more abandoned babies in dumpsters. But government funds do no go to abortion now - PP provides free clinics for a range of problems including breast screening

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    And cardiac care for those who do not excercise or eat correctly? Since we have a long list of cancer causing pollutants - most of which can be found in and around cities - do you want to defund that too?

    How about not using sunscreen?
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    If you can't afford a box of condoms and tell the man shafting you to wear one, they are available at the Dollar Tree, then don't have sex with his penis in your vagina. Seriously its not ideal but one of many affordable options how about adding contraceptive gel or foam, a sponge, female condom, use also natural birth control with the condom and so forth.
     
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    there going to have to learn not to have sex without condoms or get fixed use the pill or those shots [​IMG] once a month
    https://www.verywell.com/cyclofem-monthly-contraceptive-injection-906853
    see trump likes to instill personal responsibility needs to be learned in the hood
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    The majority of abortions the women were taking a form of contraception - and the rest relied on the man who assured them that "everything is fine honey I will withdraw in time"

    But Guttmacher also shows that abortion in the USA has hit a historic low - and that is because of the better availability of contraception

    You want to stop abortion - then ensure all pregnancies are WANTED
     
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    Don't feed, house, clothe and educate them.
    Let the gene lines die or get self sufficient
     
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    Why should the government fund a private organization? Let them solicit contributions.

    This is why we have a national debt. The U.S. taxpayer doesn't have to fund every group that asks for money.
     
  15. Balto

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    Then, by that logic, why don't we slash the political funds for the NRA?
     
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    Oh! Dear! Another one who does not realise that condoms are the CAUSE of most abortions!!

    Do you realise the failure rate with "Typical" use of condoms?

    No?

    Not surprised most men who wade ignorantly into the abortion debate are woefully ignorant on contraception - I have even hit the "bandaid over the belly button" idea before now

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    Would you contribute to this worthy cause even if assured your money was not going to abortion but to women's health?
     
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    And another one ignorant of the failure rate of condoms as a contraceptive

    No wonder America has a high abortion rate when men do not know the basics about contraception but think they can leave it all to the women
     
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    He doesn't want to fund abortion, many of us don't.
    Of course.
    Nonsense. You should probably find better news sources rather than feeding at fake news outlets that traffic is false stories of piddling prostitutes.

    If you had a choice between living poor or being burned alive and then sucked into a sink... which would you choose?
     
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    but the 1 shot per month [​IMG] are 94% to 99% effective add condom and 100% catagory
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh how I miss the simpler times when people could buy prophylactics in drugstores for less than the cost of a pack of smokes. Now we have women popping out babies left and right because they can't afford their morning after pills.
     
  21. Bowerbird

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    What you will get is backyard abortions like Gosnell's clinic - and it will be hard to shut them down because the women will be too afraid to speak out - like happened with Gosnell

    Then organised crime will become involved - as it did in Victoria - and probably Philadelphia where kickbacks will ensure that these death mills continue.

    Wait for the maternal mortality rates to rise - it already has in Texas - doubling in just a two year period

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    94% means 6 out of every 100 women will become pregnant using this method - that is 6 UNWANTED pregnancies - the ones that end in abortion.

    Plus what is the COST pre month of Depo-Provera in the USA? And just what do you think PP subsidizes?? NO one WANTS to do abortions the first choice is always contraception and it has WORKED - the abortion rates are down across the USA from effective contraception

    https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-incidence-united-states-2014

    I will amend the "No one wants abortion" to say no one wants to see legal abortions - organised crime here had a field day with illegal abortions and were churning them out at a horrific rate so, yes there is one group that is delighted to see abortions become illegal
     
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    Ever heard of birth control? Did you know, Ron, that more Black babies are aborted than born in NY? Do you know that most abortions in NY are Black and Hispanic babies? Margaret Sanger would be proud...
     
  24. Bowerbird

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    Don't tell me - another one who thinks that condoms are an effective contraception!!

    But birth rates ARE down as are abortion rates

    But where republicans have defended public programs maternal mortality is up

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    Ever heard of contraceptive failure - and yet ANOTHER one who does not understand that a majority of abortions are because of contraceptive failure
     
  25. Dayton3

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    IIRC, the largest state in the country California has refused to provide the federal government with abortion statistics for several years. So saying abortions in the U.S. is at a "historic low" is speculative at best.

    And virtually no one can get pregnant if using contraceptives responsibility.

    Ironic, women who become pregnant are supposed to be able to make "responsible" decisions.

    Yet the vast majority would never have become pregnant in the first place if it were not for IRRESPONSIBLE behavior in the first place.

    By the way.

    Anyone who can't afford a condom has no business having sex anyway.
     

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