Either Sean Spicer is a Liar or He is Incompetent

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  1. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By now there is no denying that the "alternative facts" alleged by Spicer in his press conference were outright falsehoods. The turnout at Trump's inauguration paled in comparison to Obama's. The metro sales were significantly higher for Obama's inauguration 4 years ago, contrary to Spicer's claim. So the question becomes: Is Spicer a liar or downright incompetent? It's actually hard to say. It goes without saying that as a Trump administration imbecile, he isn't the cream of the crop, and he doesn't have the cream of the crop working for him. So I'm prepared to say that he's incompetent instead of an outright liar.
     
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    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.

    So, how does Spicer's, true or false, statement effect your life? How did Obama's lie?

    What does Metro sales have to do with anything? How about Uber sales? Lyft? Taxis? I never use public transportation --- just end up subsidizing the pukes that do.

    No doubt Obama had more than double the Metro riders than Trump, but then who cares how many poor people attended the inauguration. That was never the question.
     
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    Spicer is a trained seal, he did exactly what he was told to do. There is a reason the "statement" was presented an hour later than scheduled, those writing this crap (likely Trump, Miller, Bannon) had to edit various drafts before they got one they liked. Just the most ridiculous White House "press department" episode I've ever seen, how embarrassing. I'm no fan of Spicer, he is an ideologue but this isn't his work - he is doing what his master tells him to do. Someone in Trumpland needs to grow a pair and tell the man-child to stop this nonsense - fast.......
     
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    It all seems pretty petty...

    ... to possum.
    :roll:
     
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    It was in all the papers but Obama is gone now what obama said doesn't matter Spicer's a liar
     
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    Not so fast.You are merely going by crowd numbers.Not the amount
    of people who arrived in D.C. for the Inauguration.You could look at
    D.C. Transit numbers.Hotel bookings.Car rentals.
    Plus this MSM ... and this is Key ... Played this same game/trick
    in August of 2010 with Glenn Beck's - Restoring Honor Rally -.
    Where the D.C. Fire Marshall announced the crowd at the National Mall
    to be 87,ooo. No way ... No how.It was easily in the hundreds of thousands.
    Between 300,ooo - 500,ooo. Yet MSNBC and Ed Schultz relentlessly used the
    number 87,ooo.They stood by it and Insisted they could organize an event and
    Guartantee more people come.
    Big Labor did just that a couple months later in October.
    - One Nation Working Together - rally at the Lincoln memorial fell dramatically
    short.Even given all the Radical sponsors { Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson,Van Jones,
    Richard Trumka, and long time radical activist Harry Belafonte }.
    It was Belafonte who proposed the idea that maybe President Obama should
    start jailing people who criticize his governance.
    be careful what you wish for.
    I mean,fir.
     
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    Did you count heads? Because Obama attendees took subsidized transportation, the Metro, does that mean that Trump attendees who subsidized Obama's Inauguration attendees also used public transportation? How many people used Uber in 2009? Lyft? How about Friday?

    Here are the facts that are known:

    Estimates of inauguration numbers aren’t an exact science. The National Park Service doesn’t release official estimates, ever since a dispute about how many attended a Million Man March in 1995. The Park Service was threatened with a lawsuit when they estimated 400,000 showed up to the Million Man March, while organizers believed that one million were there. After that, they stopped publicly releasing estimates.

    The Park Service stopped counting heads in 1995? Did you take over for them?

    It really doesn't make a rats butt, but the media is using anything they can to attack Trump and they have you useful idiots to help.

    I'll bet Trump had as many or more attendees than Obama had in 2009, but Obama's attendees took up more space because of their diets of Big Mac Meals. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Just like his two predecessors, huh?
     
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    No one cares. It's stupid because it doesn't matter if 1 person showed up or 1,000,000, TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. Accept it and move on...
     
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    But the emperor has no clothes. Someone has to say it.
     
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    Obama had 3 of them, they had a few tough days as well but certainly not like this - Spicer's episode takes the cake. Even one of GW Bush's guys, Ari F is concerned about this. In a way, I do have some empathy for Spicer, as I noted above.
     
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    Hey, wait a minute. The two aren't mutually exclusive, right?
     
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    The whole story is much ado about nothing. No more relevant at this point than the fact that Trump Routinely filled auditoriums while Hillary couldn't fill a class room.
     
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    no the incompetent ones are the ones that keep believing in the liberal main stream media even after they have been proven liars and cheats

    Its time you catch up with the vast majority of rest of the population when it comes to having any confidence in the media I guess you are one of those 18% that still has confidence in the news media
     
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    Spicer was just doing his job. He just isn't as good at it as Kellyanne.

    I think that is important to consistently point out errors (? falsehoods) on the part of Trump and his staff. Hopefully they will learn more respect for accuracy and honesty.
     
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    Play all the games you want Spicer is still a liar
     
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    Spicer is compromised from day one.. Taking orders and being forced to lie about minutia to prop up Trump's ego. Trump takes hostages.

    Let's see if he can do that will Tillerson and Mattis?
     
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    Spicer is holding a news briefing right now. He didn't seem to have a clue what the "ACA mandate" is.
     
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    Ok, a couple things----Yes,it was a stupid thing for trump to send out Spicer to make the statement he did-we can all agree on that--BUT,here is not so stupid thing that is the outcome----A journalist's (that is what Spicer is) most coveted asset is his/her "credibility",Spicer's very first statement to the people of the United States of America was a lie--now,every time Spicer steps up to the Press Secretary's mic, every reporter & every American citizen will wonder if Spicer is telling the truth or not! That is why everyone should care--& when you say "no one" cares,you mean you-----
    And "no",not all of us have accepted that trump is POTUS,so "no",some of us will not move on, some of us will keep digging for proof & when we have the proof we can impeach his A**-----So, I will accept that trump did get sworn in as POTUS----for the time being-----
     
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    Given Trump's propensity for lying about everything big and small, it's no surprise that his mouthpiece's first official appearance involved easily disprovable lies about something as inconsequential as crowd sizes. Trump is obsessed with size.
    What's more amazing is KellyAnne Conway's attempt to reinvent the Trump/Spicer lies as "alternative truth."
    That has already become a meme, and it's going to be thrown back in their faces every time they lie.
    "Salma Hayek has the hots for me. She won't stop calling me. No really!" #AlternativeTruth
     
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    The problem here is that Spicer's overall claim was that Trump's audience was the biggest ever as determined by various sources and first reported (IIRC) by Entertainment Today. Global audience of course includes tens of million more than were in the crowd in Washington.
     
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    Some attractions draw bigger crowds at the zoo.
     
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