Time to Make Political Affiliation a Protected Class

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As the title proclaims it is time for a bill that designates one political affiliation a protected class like we do with ones religion

    with the multitude of undisputed incidences of republicans and Trump supporters being discriminated against, and harassed many times those harassments become violent, and with Liberals increasingly becoming unhedged it is just going to get worse.
    So if we introduce a bill to make ones political affiliation a protected class make it a crime to discriminate against, and a hate crime to harass and or commit violence against based on political affiliation. This just might make these unhedged liberals think twice about spewing their hate and venom which in many cases lead to violence
     
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    The same applies either way. Personally, I'm against it. Protected classes are for weaklings.
     
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    Its democrats in need of protection. They should not receive it.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes they should it will go both ways but when have you seen any discrimination, harassment, or violence directed at democrats for being a democrat? and if there is it is meniscal compared to what his happening to republicans and Trump supporters

    I'm also against protected class status to be frank but it is the only means we have to fight back because if we attempt to defend our selves against the discrimination harassment or violence it will be republicans and Trump supporters that will be blamed for defending them selves
     
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    So you want to make nationalists a protected class? Fascism doesn't deserve anymore protection than socialism does. Trump operated off of hyperhole, fantasy, and emotion, quite the actor who swooned you in the final act. You signed the deal with the devil, I am afraid. I'm not saying what is violently happening should be happening, but you took it upon yourselves when you took a nationalist an emotionally-driven candidate to heart.
     
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    Was it "hyperhole, fantasy, and emotion" that signed the EO's saving millions of people millions on bad HC, or getting out of the TPP? I might add that children should be the only protected class and supposedly there are laws that do just that.
     
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    Not exactly, however Deplorable Trump as forgotten one important thing.
    Isolationism has been dead for decades, and its dead for the reason that the world has advanced beyond a point that isolationist-policies cannot handle. Thus, why globalism is so important to both trade and foreign relations. I find it interesting how people though, were up in arms over Obama signing executive orders, but not Trump.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and what is wrong with nationalism? and no fascism doesn't equal nationalism.
    yes fascism adopted aspects of nationalism, but the same can be said that socialism adopted aspects of communism and so that makes socialism equivalent to communism, and because over 80 million have been mass murdered under communism that makes socialism as evil as communism more evil then fascism
     
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    America is a democracy, and I do not believe that it serves her well to be a nationalistic country.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    first off America isn't a democracy it is a constitutional republic and you need go show me where it is written that you cant be a nationalist and a democracy?
    I really don't think you understand what nationalism is

    here you can start here educate your self on the topic before you decide to debate it

    Nationalism is a complex, multidimensional concept involving a shared communal identification with one's nation. It is a political ideology oriented towards gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over a territory of historical significance to the group (such as its homeland). Nationalism therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, religion, political goals and/or a belief in a common ancestry.[1][2] Nationalism therefore seeks to preserve the nation's culture. It often also involves a sense of pride in the nation's achievements, and is closely linked to the concept of patriotism. In these terms, nationalism can be positive or negative.[3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

    basically Nationalism is opposite of Globalism

    you liberal really need to stop getting your education from liberal propaganda sites that have you believe Nationalism = Fascism = Nazism = evil
     
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    Especially Progressive Socialist Marxists and their parent party the Communist Party USA.
     
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    Who said anything about isolation? Making better deals isn't what I'd call isolationist. Do I like my coffee from Columbia, you bet? Do I need my coffee from Columbia, no? There are things that we want, not need and that is the art of the deal. We aren't going to leave places like the UK or NATO or South Korea/Japan, Trump just wants to make sure these places that have been under our military care for decades begin to help pay for it. I thought that back in the 60's when I was in the US Army and I was pretty apolitical. As far EO's go I will complain when they go against my beliefs(EPA, Immigration for example), like going around congress where legislation will do.
     
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    Safe spaces are a thing of the Obama years.
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    So, based off of this definition of nationalism, it tells me a couple things about Trump Supporters:

    1. They believe their culture is under attack. They are wanting to preserve a English-speaking, Christian culture they firmly believe America is meant to be. They are bothered by the increase in the Hispanic/Mexican population, thus causing Spanish to bleed into what they define is the main language of America. They have a problem with Muslims, based off of the fact it fractures the presence of a Christian community throughout America.

    2. To that, America thrives polar opposite to nationalism. Whereas nationalism attempts to preserve a certain culture, America thrives best off of different, and varied cultures, whether it be languages, nationalities, or religions. So, naturally a nationalist is going to butt heads with this.

    So, my main objection with nationalism, given this definition is similar to my problem with isolationism, it cuts off potential where potential needs not to be cut off. Older generations in this country who believe America is a singular, English-speaking, Christian country are more likely to be the nationalists here, over the newer generations who understand that America operates best off being a diverse nation.

    There is a reason why "In God We Trust" should not be on the dollar bill. Because America is not a singular, Christian nation. It is made up of many different cultures and religions, whether people want to come to terms with that or not is up to them.
     
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    Do you think it's okay for you to have to pay extra taxes on coffee from Colombia so uncompetitive coffee growers in Hawaii can get a bail out?
     
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    first of all you need to describe what is American culture? and why is it so wrong to preserve that culture?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes if it makes coffee from Columbia comparable in price to coffee from Hawaii
    why do you want Columbia be able to flood the market with cheap coffee because they only pay its coffee growers a fraction of what American coffee growers have to pay there for driving American coffee off the market bankrupting American coffee growers causing more on unemployment and welfare
     
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    So you believe everything in the market should have the same prices and that those prices should be guaranteed by taxing cheaper goods?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no there is a lot the dictates the price of a product but you shouldn't allow unfair advantage as labor cost from one country compared to labor cost here that gives the country with lower labor cost an unfair advantage that we should level the playing field to allow American workers be competitive
     
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    Do you know what PPP is and how that applies to labor costs in other countries?
     
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    Trump has signed executive orders to undo Obama's orders. I guarantee you that if Trump starts trying to legislate via executive order, that there will be hell to pay.

    You manage to completely ignore the actual issues which resulted in this nationalist support. Nice job.

    As to having "In God We Trust" on our currency, you do realize that that is not the same as saying "In Jesus We Trust"? See, Jews and Muslims and Hindus and lots of others would have no trouble supporting the statement "In God We Trust". It's the Atheists and Agnostics which have a problem with the statement...

    Wrong question. The real question is whether or not Columbia is worthy of being able to have unfettered access to the U.S. market, given the obstacles they put up when Starbucks sought access to their market. If they play nice, we play nice; if they don't, we don't. It's that simple.

    Exactly. Thank-you for asking the question so many seem to want to ignore.

    I believe in reciprocity. Those countries which tax our items in order to preserve markets for their items should be treated in the same way.
     
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    So similarly, countries which have greater regulations on the environment and other issues for operations or trade in their country means we have to increase regulations in America too right?

    Why should the fact that other countries punish their consumers mean we should punish ours?
     
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    If you don't see the benefit of competing on a level playing field, I really can't help you through a discussion. Sorry, but we need a common starting point...
     
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    Its not the job of the government to decide that consumers need to be punished because producers need a bailout.
     
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    That's an interesting idea. It's sort of an Alinsky tactic; make the enemy live by their own rules.
     

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