Mifepristone & Misoprostol - Punishing women for inducing abortion.

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  1. PastelPink

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    Purchasing mifepristone and misoprostol is so much easier to do now with Internet access.

    https://www.womenonweb.org/en/page/3074/buy-abortion-pills-mifepristone-online-misoprostol-online

    Considering our current situation in the US with a GOP Congress and President and very soon probably a GOP Supreme Court, Roe v Wade could very well be overturned. If that should happen many states will more than likely make abortion illegal or highly restricted.

    In the past anti-abortionists argued only for punishing those who provide abortions and typically avoid seeking punishment for women as though they are also a victim in this situation.

    Considering that most abortions can now happen privately, and quietly in the home however, the only person violating the law would be the woman seeking the abortion.

    Obviously they will only be caught if complications occur. Do you think hospitals should be required to investigate every case of miscarriage and test for abortion drugs and should the hospital be required to report this to the police? i.e. treat it as a homicide?

    What kind of punishment should a woman face for choosing abortion? Should they face the death penalty for their choices?
     
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    Yes, Republicans do NOT like to bring up the fact that women will be given life sentences or executed for having abortions.....that's why they were so mad (for a minute or two ) at Trump for saying women who have abortions should be punished.

    See, It's just bad PR to admit that murderers get long sentences and sometimes death even if they are your mother or your sister or your daughter or your wife or your girlfriend...


    They think that only the person who performs the abortion should be charged BUT if I hired a hitman to kill someone and they do, BOTH of us would be charged the same....so if a woman hires a "hitman" to "murder" her fetus SHE WILL BE CHARGED the SAME..... women are NOT victims here in this case.


    But women will be the victims of the Republicans attacks on their rights.


    ALL anti-Abortion people want to punish women....for having sex....
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Anti-Choicers don't want to face your questions...................
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is only one opening on the SC and that position was vacated by an antichoicer. If the dems don't filibuster an anti choice nominee, it will just be back to where it was before Scalia died.
     
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    :) Still no Anti-Choicer can answer : what punishment, life in prison or execution, for women who have abortions??


    Whatsa madda? No real conviction?
     
  6. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Yes. If we're to admit that the unborn share the same human rights as a child then the appropriate punishment applies universally.
     
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    There is no "admit", there is only law.

    The fetus is not a person.

    IF the fetus was given the same rights as other persons (not children) then it would have the same restrictions as other persons. It could NOT use another person's body to sustain it's life....you can't, I can't, other persons can't, a fetus couldn't....so it couldn't be murder but self defense..


    But thank you for admitting that women would be given life sentences and executed IF abortion is declared "murder".....hardly any other "pro-"Life" person will ever mention it.

    Kind of awkward to declare oneself as "Pro-Life" when attempting to destroy women's lives for doing something they've been doing for thousands of years....

    Mothers, grandmothers, daughters, wives, best friends, sisters ...in jail or executed....because they dared to have sex.....and no man ever prosecuted...
     
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    Abortion is only popular because society made it acceptable. Make it unacceptable and less woman would have abortions. And if a woman is coerced into an abortion (as many are) then I believe she should not be prosecuted but rather the one doing the coercing.
     
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    Some parts of society have always found abortion acceptable.

    Women have been having abortions for thousands of years....they must've found it acceptable, women are "society" TOO.

    Yes, making it illegal may mean less abortions (may) but I doubt it.....they were lots of abortions when it wasn't "acceptable" to some people.

    Making it illegal does not stop abortions.....it only makes life hell for some women ( the poor predominantly because wealthy women will have no problems at all getting abortions)


    That really is your goal, isn't it?


    Can't address?: ""IF the fetus was given the same rights as other persons (not children) then it would have the same restrictions as other persons. It could NOT use another person's body to sustain it's life....you can't, I can't, other persons can't, a fetus couldn't....so it couldn't be murder but self defense.."""
     
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    Nope. My goal is to save the life of the unborn.

    It isn't self defense as the affects of pregnancy don't warrent it.
     
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    OK, but you have NEVER shown how that is accomplished OR WHY it should be......


    Yes, legally the damage done to a woman's body is bad enough to warrant the use of self defense. From the second her immune system and circulatory systems are compromised by pregnancy that's enough alone to give her the right to use self defense....and then there's all the other ensuing pain and physical damage..


    YOU do not get to decide how much a woman must suffer before she can defend herself .

    Or how about you let her decide how much punishment and damage and pain YOU should suffer before fighting back...FAIR ENOUGH???!!! :)
     
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    There are an awful lot of abortifacients out there - are we to prosecute for all of them - including paw paw?

    But anyone who thinks that this will win in court had better review the Cairns abortion case here in QLD

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-10-15/crown-kicks-own-goal-in-qld-abortion-trial/2298608
     
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    Bunkum!! Abortion has been practiced in every society throughout history

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

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    Bunkum!! Abortion has been practiced in every society throughout history

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
     
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    Simple, make it illegal and educate prevent women of other options.

    Tell me, are you for abortions up until due date? If not why? Isn't the unborn "torturing the mother up until that point?

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    I'm talking about our society. History repeats itself in each society.
     
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    No, it's not simple. Abortion has been around for thousands of years and did not go away when it was illegal.

    You: "educate prevent women of other options.""

    Not quite comprehensible but I'll give it a try.

    Yes, women can be educated about how to prevent pregnancy but they aren't always.

    Birth control sometimes fails....and the best and safest is the most expensive , out of reach for many women.

    AND women are under NO obligation to use birth control.

    There are only two options and most women know them, either abort or have a kid.....women aren't as stupid as you indicate.




    You: ""Tell me, are you for abortions up until due date? If not why? Isn't the unborn "torturing the mother up until that point? "

    Yes, the fetus is causing damage throughout the pregnancy but if the due date is near obviously the woman has CONSENTED to the damage.

    See, women have a right to consent or not consent.....just like YOU DO.

    They do not lose the right to not consent to physical harm because they become pregnant.

    Normal , mentally healthy women do NOT wait until the due date to have an elective abortion.

    IF one should request that from a doctor the doctor would have her examined for mental health problems.


    Late term abortions are only performed only if the life or health of the woman and/or fetus is endangered.
     
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    Live in a state where it is illegal - illegal in NSW too

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Australia

    Now note that it is basically illegal in South Australia - and they are the only state to keep statistics on abortion - and thier statistics like those of the rest of Australia show a HIGHER abortion rate than countries like Europe and the USA. And these are "legal" abortions

    https://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/factsandfigures/australian-abortion-statistics

    Laws are useless when it comes to abortion
     
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    Nope, punishment is reserved for those who kill children in utero
    in these cases. Anyone can have sex, just don't commit homicide in its wake, that's all.

     
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    Your hysterical rantings and wish to punish women for having a legal medical procedure haven't furthered your hateful cause one little bit

    :roflol: :roflol: Women do as they please.....women do as they please with NO punishment :nana:


    Yes, Republicans do NOT like to bring up the fact that women will be given life sentences or executed for having abortions.....that's why they were so mad (for a minute or two ) at Trump for saying women who have abortions should be punished.

    See, It's just bad PR to admit that murderers get long sentences and sometimes death even if they are your mother or your sister or your daughter or your wife or your girlfriend...


    They think that only the person who performs the abortion should be charged BUT if I hired a hitman to kill someone and they do, BOTH of us would be charged the same....so if a woman hires a "hitman" to "murder" her fetus SHE WILL BE CHARGED the SAME..... women are NOT victims here in this case.


    But women will be the victims of the Republicans attacks on their rights.


    ALL anti-Abortion people want to punish women....for having sex....
     
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    Simple - frame the legislation I will even help by giving you a link to OUR laws on abortion - they are pretty tough - and they do not work

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s224.html

    Our rates of legally performed rival yours. - but feel free to draft some legislation
     
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    Fine - lets prevent pregnancies by sterilising all men

    We can be fair and allow them to make a sperm donation first and then if they want a woman to become pregnant with thier sperm they can make a proposal to her, show that they are financially solvent and then make a withdrawal
     
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    I often see a few men who need sterilising; and a few women too. My pity is saved for their offspring, who will be raised on a diet of junk food and drink, junk tv, and generally junk everything, and will never know what beauty and fulfilment there is in the arts because there will be nobody to teach them.
     
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    No need! Many women go through life never having an abortion, you know responsible women.
     
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    That is why my solution is so elegant - no more unwanted pregnancies no more abortions

    Pity we cannot actually use it - but it is an elegant solution
     
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    That is why my solution is so elegant - no more unwanted pregnancies no more abortions

    Pity we cannot actually use it - but it is an elegant solution
     
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    Just as there are many men who go through life never causing an unwanted pregnancy - you know RESPONSIBLE men

    The kind that do not get on the internet to berate women while forgetting that "it takes two to Tango"

    I always have a deep abiding suspicion - probably unfounded but still there that the men who frequent this forum talking of 'loose" women are the same ones who would "do a Donald" if they thought they could get away with it
     

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