Voter Fraud - Please Explain

Look, I could post all the bi-partisan studies, including the many REPUBLICAN-LED investigations into "voter fraud", all which came up empty, to prove the fact that there is no substantial in-person voter fraud in this country.

Likewise, I could post links to official court transcripts of various cases where Republicans THEMSELVES have been forced to flat out admit they have no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud to a federal judge when they've been questioned about why their various voter-suppression tactics are even necessary.

But as we all know, none of that will matter to the millions who have fallen victim of the modern day cult previously known as "conservatism".

So instead, I'd like to ask both Trump voters and/or conservatives alike to please explain a few things to me;

1) How does intentional, in-person voter fraud work? Step by step, please explain the process of how that ballot gets cast.

2) In order for in-person voter fraud to make an actual difference in an election, there would need to be a coordinated effort involving anywhere from hundreds to thousands of people. Who is coordinating this, how are they doing it, and how have they been able to keep it a secret?

3) Actual wide scale voter fraud would be extremely easy to uncover by local election boards if investigated. Additionally, Republican governors could also order such investigations state wide if they so desired. So where is what should be an absolute plethora of hard core, undeniable, unquestionable evidence?

4) Which do you think is more likely?

1. There is a decades old massive secret conspiracy where millions of people, including illegals already frighteningly living in the shadows, are individually each risking felony charges and federal prison to cast single illegal votes, or...
   
3. That wide-spread in-person "voter fraud" is merely a fairy-tale that Republicans have used to further inflame race relations, fire up their white base, and justify their ongoing voter-suppression efforts.

Looking forward to the answers.

 

Read these books:

"Stealing Elections - How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy" and "Who's Counting - How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk"

I applaud Trump - it's about time that there was a focused look at this issue. We have ObamaCare because ~ 1000 convicted felons votes illegally in MN to elect Al Frankin Senator.

 

Thanks for the right wing propaganda. Now can you answer the questions?

 

The books will address your uncertainty about voter fraud if you have the initiative and curiosity to read them.

I have no interest in answering your loaded questions.

 

You are asking the wrong questions. To know what fraud is committed, we must know HOW it is committed, in other words, think like criminals.

We do know that during Stein's recount, Michigan found that 37-percent of Detroit's precincts were NOT eligible for recount because there were MORE VOTES than registered voters, yet Clinton carried the Detroit area by approximately 95-percent, compared to Trump winning MI by just ~10,000 votes. Saddam Insane was one of the few with that high of a percentage of votes in Iraq before he was out.

The fact is, saying there is no voter fraud because it hasn't been found is faulty reasoning and does not point to the lack of in-person voter fraud, but rather to lack of enforcement mechanisms to identify and prosecute in-person voter fraud.

Steve

 

When you have poll workers in inner cities stuffing ballot boxes faster than they stuff their faces you might have voter fraud.

 

I will explain.

Truth, fact, and reality no longer matter to a section of our population and have been replaced with crowd speak. Basically the new "Truth" is whatever is stated loud and often enough by the individual with the most influential character on screen. This has led to news becoming fake and science becoming lies.

 

I have no uncertainty about either the mountain of facts which unequivocally prove there is no significant in person voter fraud, or your obvious inability to intelligently answer simple questions to defend your position.

 

News sources vary from credible to a joke. The people who think a journalistic gold standard like, let's say, the NYT, is "fake", but Breitbart is credible....well you can't fix stupid.

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Proof?

 

First of all, I think it's hilarious that no one is willing to try to actually answer the very simple questions I posed.

Secondly, it absolutely amazes me how people like you can believe and repeat lies that have been discredited for months. Is not taking a minute to factcheck worth losing all credibility?

In this case, the discrepancy you are referring to, while newsworthy, had nothing to do with the number of votes tallied exceeding the number of registered voters, but rather the number of voters recorded by poll workers exceeding the number of voters recorded by machines. In other words, it was human error on the head count, not "more votes cast that voters" or "fraud".

As I said, and as everyone knows, any significant amount of illegal in person voter fraud would be very easy to find by any local election board. Republicans have exhaustingly looked, never found it. But it doesn't stop them from lying about it to their base.

 

cite please.

Or, go away.

The fact that this administration assaults the implementation of our democracy with NO EVIDENCE is SERIOUSLY harmful to America.

 

There's hundreds of these how many you want?

[video=youtube;033pctltIwk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=033pctltIwk[/video]

 

I answered your questions saying you are asking the wrong questions. There are many sources that back up the fact Detroit's precincts were not eligible for recount because there were more votes than registered voters. That is reasonable to say wide scale voter fraud occurred. HOW it occurred hasn't been determined yet because of a lack of enforcement mechanisms to detect fraud. You act like you would rather have elections determined fraudulently.

Steve

 

Every stolen vote steals the legal vote of another. Even one stolen vote, is way too many.

 

That had to do with registration, and I'm in favor of that being stopped.



But, that is NOT the issue concerning "voter fraud" - and voter fraud IS the claim of this administration.

One way you can tell is that the laws put forward address individuals voting.


If you want to talk about registration fraud, maybe we should start with those in this administration who are registered to vote in more than one state.

After all, how can YOU let the administration go while going after other citizens?


So, just to review, you've given me NOTHING on voter fraud so far.

 

Ummmm, what exactly have you deluded yourself into believing this video proves?

 

Lol, you haven't answered a single question, you just keep regurgitating a lie about how there were "more votes than registered voters in Detroit."

Here is one of many sources debunking that claim. http://www.snopes.com/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/

 

Here's an answer:

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

 

There are TENS OF THOUSANDS, if not millions of more people who have their vote intentionally suppressed every election by republicans. If you gave a squirt of (*)(*)(*)(*) about our democracy or voting rights, this is what you'd be freaking out over.

 

Republicans did not "suppress" even one vote.

Where there was voter suppress was on overseas military bases where 100% of ballots cast were held until AFTER the deadline to turn them in - with it known people in the military overwhelming supported Trump.:

In Detroit so many more ballots were casts than people who voted they couldn't even do a recount. Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during [the] presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books.

No, it has not been debunked. Rather, Detroit just made up an excuse claiming their poll workers were incompetent. Initially they claimed poll workers were running the same ballots thru over and over claiming they didn't think the machine wasn't working. Since that was an absurd explanation and all were illegal votes, they then shifted to claim poll workers counted voters wrong. Since people sign in when they vote that excuse is a lie too.

 

Christ, you didn't answer any of my question. Instead you cited a laughably discredited "poll" from an even more laughable discredited partisan website.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379415001420

 

I already explained what happened, but it's not going to penetrate your tin foil hat. But don't you think it's strange, therefore, that the Republican Governor of Michigan isn't launching an immediate, thorough investigation?

Ya think maybe that's because he knows there was no fraud, so why crush the myth already in full circulation in the right wing alternative facts universe with an investigation that disproves it?

 

That was their second absurd lying excuse. People sign in when they vote. Counting signatures is easy enough and if done wrong the first time then they simply could be recounted. Their first excuse was the truth - Democrat poll workers were running the same ballots thru the machines multiple times - but claimed it was because they thought the voting machines were not registering the vote, so they would run it thru again and again. That, of course is what they did - cast multiple votes for selected voters.

 

Hey Sherlock, how do you run the same ballot through the machine multiple times? It would record multiple votes for the same person and trigger an automatic flag and investigation.

And by the way, even if it were possible, which it's not, this still wouldn't be the "in person voting fraud" that trump and republicans have been screaming about for years to justify their voter suppression laws.

The only thing you've proved so far is that you don't even understand the what the bs right wing conspiracy even is.