The intriguing timeline of Flynn's indiscretions

Here is the timeline and it is certainly suspect.

In October seventeen American intelligence agencies concluded that Russia interfered in our elections on Trump's behalf.

On December 29th Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for the interference.

That same day civilian Michael Flynn called the Russian ambassador and spoke to him about the sanctions.

On December 30th, uncharacteristically, Putin refused to retaliate against the sanctions, saying he will discuss the matter with soon-to-be President Trump.

On January 1, Flynn lied to Vice-President Pence saying sanctions were not discussed. Later that day Pence appeared on the Sunday news shows, and said he had spoken to Flynn, and, no, the sanctions were not discussed.

On February 8 Flynn said he had not discuss sanctions with the Russian ambassador. Later he said he couldn't remember discussing the sanctions with the Russian ambassador but it could have happened. Later still White House officials admitted that Flynn discussed the sanctions with the Russian ambassador. At this writing there is no transcript of the conversation.

By February 13, uncharacteristically, Trump was absolutely silent on the subject, no tweets, and he would not allow questions about Flynn at a news conference. That was very odd.

The rest is pure speculation, but educated speculation based on circumstantial evidence. Flynn calls the very same day Obama unleashes the sanctions, and Putin is unusually kind to the U.S. Did Flynn promise the sanctions would be lifted, even the ones imposed as a consequence of Russian's aggression against Ukraine? It would seem likely because Putin's reaction the very next day was historically restrained, and many do not buy such a coincidence.

Flynn lied to the Vice-President. When the National Security Officer lies to the Vice-President, serious questions can be asked about his trustworthiness and should he remain in that capacity. If private citizen Flynn (obviously he was not the NSA yet) spoke to the Russians about Presidential sanctions, that would be a very serious crime and a historic one. It has never happened before, or so the history books say.

When Flynn lied to the Vice-President, was not that the same as lying to the President? That would be true except for one possible factor. The President told Flynn to make a deal with the Russians. That would fit with Trump's penchant for praising Putin over the last several months and his wish for Russia to help us destroy ISIS. Naturally, Trump would like to win Putin's favor for such an alliance.

It should be stressed the accusation against Trump is pure innuendo based entirely upon circumstances.

 

Democrats and their conspiracy theories. Geeze.

 

The OP had nothing to do with Democrats. I'm a conservative. I noticed you were unable to deal with the content of the OP. I guess in your mind, it is pretty much true. Of course, the article was filled with pretty damaging facts.

 

Trump to Flynn, "You're fired!."

Yes, I know, technically speaking, Trump asked Flynn to resign, but in the real world the two circumstances are identical in this case. However, the matter will not end there, and it is getting far more serious.

As it turns out, it seems that Trump had known about Flynn's indiscretions at least three weeks ago. The L.A. Times reports, "President Trump knew for three weeks that former national security advisor Michael Flynn misrepresented his contacts with a Russian diplomat before firing him under pressure, the White House acknowledged Tuesday in offering an account of Flynn’s downfall that differed strikingly from what it said a day earlier."

That lends credence to the speculation in the OP. It would appear the White House and Flynn have been lying about this from the very beginning. It follows that Trump may have known about this from the very beginning because Trump runs a tight ship. It is not likely the White House was lying in his name and he was unaware of that fact. That would be extremely un-Trump-like.

If Trump knew about it from the very beginning, something else is unlikely. General Flynn was a loyal and obedient soldier who did what he was told. It is not likely that Flynn, who was simply a private citizen at the time, decided on his own to talk to Russian authorities. Who is the one person who could order Flynn to do such an outrageous thing? President-elect Trump, of course. And it just so happens that Trump wants Russian help to destroy ISIS. Is there quid pro quo at work here?

It could go back further than that. Russia interfered in our election. The damage done by the Russians was one-sided. All the damage was inflicted on the Clinton campaign. This obviously aided Trump's election, but it is uncertain how much. Were the Russians assured by the Trump staff not to worry about sanctions for helping the Trump campaign?

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Trump in the end sought Flynn’s resignation because of “trust” issues, not legal ones. However, the veracity of that statement is in serious question because there has been little truth from the White House in this matter.

It is for that reason the Republican Congress is getting involved. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell boldly declared Tuesday it's "highly likely" the Senate intelligence committee will investigate former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador. "I think the fundamental question for us is what is our involvement in it, and who ought to look at it," McConnell said. "And the intelligence committee is already looking at Russian involvement in our election. As Sen. (Roy) Blunt has already indicated, it is highly likely they will want to take look at this episode as well. They have the broad jurisdiction to do it."

Wow! It appears the speculation in the OP written yesterday is becoming more and more likely.

 

As usual, Spicer's comments were misleading. He said it was not unusual for incoming staff members to talk to their counterparts in foreign governments. That part is true, but it is a half-truth when it comes to Flynn's conversations about sanctions. While it's not unusual for incoming administrations to have discussions with foreign governments before taking office, the repeated contacts just as the U.S. was pulling the trigger on sanctions suggests Trump's team might have helped shape Russia's response. They also contradicted denials about such discussions of the sanctions by several Trump administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence.

 

So what is the big deal here?

 

There has NEVER been any conclusive evidence that Russia hacked our computers. Obama's CIA director said they did but offered no proof. Why would they need to hack our computers with the secretary of state talking and relaying classified information over her unsecure cell phone?

 

The big deal is a private citizen played a role in American policy with a foreign nation. The point is he lied about it to the Vice-President. You don't see the big deal? That is amazing.

More and more it appears that Trump's staff was communicating with Russia during the election campaign in which they interfered for Trump's benefit. One thing is for certain. During the campaign Trump encouraged Russia to interfere in our elections. He said, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

Still another big deal is Trump probably ordered Flynn to strike a deal with the Russians. This is borne out by the fact that Putin, the day after Flynn's phone call, uncharacteristically did not retaliate against the sanctions, surprising everyone in the Obama White House. Flynn was a loyal, obedient soldier. It is inconceivable that he acted alone. He was ordered to have that conversation with the Russian ambassador. Who was the one man who could issue such an outrageous order to Flynn?

In any case Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has ordered an investigation. You do know McConnell is a member of Trump's party? Do you see the big deal now?

 

You missed the point by a mile. Was it intentional? Did you purposely want to change the subject?

 

Trump is unable to delegate authority. There should be one person running the White House staff. That would be Trump's chief of staff, Reince Priebus, but it is obvious Trump hasn't delegated that power to Priebus. Consequently, there are a number of power centers in the White House, Priebus himself, Flynn before he was fired, Bannon, Conway, Spicer, Miller, and probably others.

The result is mass confusion. Flynn lied to the Vice-President, then tried to cover it up. Trump knew about the Flynn conversation three weeks ago, but didn't tell Pence. Pence found out about the lie from the newspapers on Feb. 9. Conway says Trump has Flynn's back. The following day Trump fires Flynn. Conway says Flynn resigned. Spicer told reporters in a press conference Trump essentially fired Flynn. Bannon orchestrated the Flynn fiasco, but he is saying nothing. No one has heard from Priebus about all this.

 

Righties and their obvious gullibility. Geeze.

 

I have noticed that. too. It doesn't matter how outrageous it is, Trump fans swallow everything coming out of the White House. It is really is very interesting. In dealing with the public the Trump camp is attempting to overlook the indiscretion -- Flynn lied to everyone in the White House including the Vice-President -- and blame those that discovered the indiscretion. The crime is not the crime. The crime is the people who told the truth.

It won't work. The tactic is blatantly transparent. The White House, led by Trump himself, wish to shift blame to others. One day after Trump fired Flynn because he couldn't trust him Trump tweeted, “The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred. @MSNBC & @CNN are unwatchable. Foxandfriends is great!” the President wrote on Twitter. A loyal fan, I get most of my material from Fox News. I watch two to three hours of Fox daily. I plead guilty to being a news nerd.

Trump continued his diatribe against the media and his own intelligence services as though they were to blame for all his troubles, not himself. “Information is being illegally given to the failing @nytimes & Washingtonpost by the intelligence community (NSA and FBI?). Just like Russia. The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by ‘intelligence’ like candy. Very un-American!” He even managed to blame the Clinton campaign for all his troubles.

This is surreal. It would be funny were it not so downright tragic. He is the President, for crying out loud.

 

Starting off your thread with a moronic conspiracy kook statement, just killed your thread.

BTW, we really did land on the moon, and no, controlled detonation of explosives did not bring down the twin towers on 9/11. Thought I'd clue you in on those facts, just in case you were going to start more of these silly threads.

 

The smell of treason is in the air, with Trump and Russia.

 

The only smell in the air is Democrats bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

You should have put that last line first before lashing out.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...ure-to-prove-russian-interference-in-election

 

Are you saying the fact that 17 American intelligence concluded that Russia interfered in our elections on Trump's behalf is a "moronic conspiracy kook statement?" You don't get out much, do you.

USA Today reports, "On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence."

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/

Hmmm, who is the kook?

 

I wouldn't go that far. Trump is simply ill-informed and lacking in experience. Making friends with Russia is on his bucket list. He will learn the truth sooner or later.

 

You must have found the OP factual. You didn't challenge a single statement. The idea of making American foreign policy in front of a national television audience is disturbing. Fortunately, Netanyahu informed Trump how things work, something he should have know all along.

 

Only the second to last paragraph was speculation. Everything else was fact.

This came out in October.

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

That said, I am happy to see that you must have agreed with everything in the OP.

 

Not like there was not a precedent for this. This is just another "October Surprise."

The GOP just cannot seem to get away from these kinds of things.

 

The idea that all those agencies would focus on Russia is crazy/ Obama tripped himself up when he took it too broad. This reminds me of the video deal over Benghazi that was fake.

People were crazy to trust what Obama leaked out.

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And that is the response the OP was wanting.

 

It is an observation anyone can make.

By the way...I hear the guy selected to replace Flynn...has turned the offer down.

It'll be on the news in a bit.

 

Its like the last 30 minutes of the Goodfellas movie...

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Vice Admiral Harward?

 

That's the guy!

Turned it down.

Smart guy.