Solving the USA prison problem

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Robert, Feb 14, 2017.

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Send them to Mexico or not

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think this is a brilliant idea. Never read it before so I take full credit for the idea.

    We know we get criminals into the USA from Mexico. We know we want to stop it with a wonderful fence.

    We further know Mexico refuses to help finish the fence. We finished a lot of the fence. It is fair for Mexico to help pay for the fence.

    Well, since they refuse, let's proceed.

    Here is my idea. We load our convicts onto busses. We take them to the border. We inform them if they are seen coming back, they will be fired upon by border agents. With that, they are forced into Mexico and using people like Seal Team 6, force them deep into Mexico. Very deep.

    We flood Mexico with our criminals.

    Think Mexico just might then come around?

    Vote as you please.
     
  2. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Yeah....just abandon the constitution first
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Surprised that is your idea. But Democrats abandoned it so long ago ... let's see .... how about prohibition? How about WW1 or events leading to the great depression ... I mean they abandoned that document years ago.

    You may vote.
     
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    Deportation is not possible for citizens.

    But leave it to a righty to crap on the Constitution.
     
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    The Constitution doesn't mention buses or even prisons or even criminals.

    Most criminals have been convicted of state crimes not federal crimes. I'm old enough to remember when there were no federal laws covering murder. When JFK was assassinated in Dallas Texas in 1963 there was no federal laws covering the murder of a President or any federal official.(Except for a U.S. postal mailman) The assassination of JFK was a violation of Texas laws.

    Congress would soon change that and today the feds are butting into all states rights.
     
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    Just so I understand you correctly, are you suggesting that we return all prisoners to Mexico, or just the Mexican ones?
     
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    The constitution still applies to prisoners
     
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    But it is illegal to deport citizens.

    Mexico was never going to pay for it, and I don't see why they should. Put it in place and they'll pay by having all their degenerates stay in their country.
     
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    There use to be some very infamous and crule jails and prisons in America not to many decades ago.

    I remember during the 50's and 60's the old Cook County Jail in Chicago was considered one of the worse jails in America. The first time I travels through the South during the early 70's I remember all of the chain gangs.

    Then there were the military brigs and stockades some that were "red line" brigs or stockades. The Camp Pendelton brig considered the worse brig in the military, so bad it took an act of Congress during the early 1970's to shut it down.

    Red line brigs.
    "Whats that red line " ?
    "OUCH !!!"
    "THAT HURTS !!!"

    Convicted criminals today have it made in the shade in our penal institutions. Free room and board. Cable television, three hot meals a day, fitness centers and free homosexual sex.

    We should put all them in a bus and drop them off at the Mexican border.
     
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    Which would of course be illegal and is a pointless discussion
     
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    Castro emptied his prisons and sent all of his prisoners to America and President Carter had no problem with it and liberals welcomed them with open arms.

    I'm sure Mexican liberals would welcome America's criminals with open arms.
     
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    Yes. This is Cuba. Got it.
     
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    Quite handy for those who wanted to escape,
    and not so sound as to make a jail sentence a deterrence against crimes,
    commit crime and afterwards go to Mexico for a holiday.
     
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    It's a very poorly constructed poll, but I'll try to give a simple, succinct answer.

    Find all (ALL) illegal aliens who are inside the United States of America and get them out (OUT) of the United States of America.

    Then, who should be put into prisons? Anyone (ANYONE) who hires an illegal alien -- PERIOD! Minimum one year in prison, for a first offense, plus a fine equal to 20% of whatever they paid in Federal taxes during the previous year. Zero-tolerance, with no "leniency of the court" for first-time offenders, or any of the usual "compassion" horse (*)(*)(*)(*)!

    Lastly, and this much should be obvious (OBVIOUS) -- not one penny in welfare for any illegal alien, their relatives, or their offspring.

    Make it IMPOSSIBLE for the sons-of-(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es to survive here, sucking a living off the American taxpayer, and they'll stop illegally invading the United States of America. End of problem.... :omg:
     
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    By that standard, Trump should be the first thrown in prison for bringing Melania over without a visa.
     
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    Its a really stupid idea.....
     
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    If all that happened the 'enemy inside' lefties would go berserk. It makes perfect sense, of course, but they'd still go berserk.
     
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    Would they then be illegal aliens if they came back?


    If you want to stop illegal immigration, invest in companies that are expanding into Mexico. Every job Trump "saves" is another Mexican crossing the border to find work.
     
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    Then they can vote?
     
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    The poll was poorly constructed. On that point we agree. From that point, forward, the OP only succeeds in bringing out those right wingers that believe as George W. Bush did in that the Constitution is just a "God da^n*d piece of paper."

    The hatred and the absolute stupidity of the anti-immigrant lobby causes otherwise good people to say and do stuff that insults the intelligence of people with an IQ above their shoe size. For example:

    1) We have too many people obsessing over so - called illegal aliens

    2) The anti-immigrant lobby says they would put employers in jail for hiring these so - called "illegal aliens." Really? Let's go with that logic. IF I accept this idiotic premise that undocumented foreigners are stealing jobs, then those who knowingly buy the products and / or use the services of these companies would be equally culpable ... like receiving stolen property or profiting from the fruit of the poisonous tree.

    Walmart was convicted on knowingly hiring subcontractors using undocumented foreigners as laborers. So, if you advocate tossing employers in jail for hiring undocumented workers, then be honest and consistent. If people shop at Walmart, they need to be jailed too.

    3) The anti immigrant lobby builds an entire philosophy around lies. Undocumented foreigners are not legally entitled to receive welfare. Furthermore, the anti-immigrant lobby endorsed the National ID / REAL ID Act and E-Verify, promising that would alleviate the fraud in welfare (though the right could not prove such fraud existed on any large scale.)

    In fact, the undocumented foreigners DO pay taxes. According to the Chief Actuary of the Socialist) Security Administration says that 75 percent of the undocumented foreigners get a Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the same taxes as the rest of Americans. In addition, the lower wages paid to the undocumented foreigners and the increased productivity actually create more wealth and opportunity for the rest of us

    4) The foreigners are here because this is a supply and demand issue. The drug cartels come because the American people demand drugs. The ONLY resolutions there are to get serious with drug dealers and give them the death penalty and change our prison system so as to make it drug and violence unfriendly. Of course you could always legalize drugs and the government would kill off the cartels - governments don't like competition for your money.

    As for workers, I get tired of spending my life working to pay taxes so that people can to school and the only jobs they think they are qualified for are minimum wage jobs that do not require any education, skill sets, or even the ability to speak English. It's sad that one of the largest political lobbies in America (the build the wall, kill 'em all types) has people whose only aspirations is to be janitors, fast food workers, and menial laborers. WTH???

    Nobody is "invading" America. All of you vote with your wallets and your purses. When you buy from, sell to, rent to and / or otherwise do business with people who employ so - called "illegal aliens," you encourage the practice and you save money! What you want is a government to save your from yourself. They can't. America became the most envied nation in the world, created more wealth than any other nation and created more opportunities using cheap labor. Whether it was the Chinese working on the Transcontinental Railway, the use of indentured servants (as many of my own ancestors were), to the use of slaves and now undocumented foreigners, cheap labor has been a staple of the American way of life.

    Getting your boxers in a bunch over imagined fears is not a sufficient reason to jeopardize anyone of their Liberties and I've lost as many as I'm willing to over this silly a** issue. Benjamin Franklin once said that He who would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserves neither Liberty nor Safety. It is because you end with neither Liberty nor Safety. So, I call out all the people who obsess over immigration. My Rights are not for sale.
     
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    Actually, you've made several really good, valid points in your post. Too bad, though, that a priori to all the rest of it, you fail to grasp the bedrock, fundamental problem for it all -- the ILLEGAL ALIEN. There is nothing "so-called" about it.... A citizen of a foreign country that has entered the United States illegally is -- (TA DA!) -- an ILLEGAL ALIEN.... :eekeyes:

    Before you percolate in retaliation and anger, please understand this... many of us on the Right actually WELCOME legal immigrants. All the legal immigrants I have known were industrious, energetic, self-motivated, and willing to work quite long and well for relatively little compensation. And, at levels above simple menial labor, they were frequently smarter and better-educated than their American-born-and-raised counterparts. They're better at math and science, understand the fundamentals of the economy and money management far better, and even speak and write English better than most Americans, too.

    So why are my "boxers in a bunch"? The fact that far too many of them are ILLEGAL ALIENS! They should be provided with "green cards" if they want to work here but don't want citizenship, and/or, they should be provided with a pathway to citizenship in the United States if that is what they desire. Why can't those who bluster as you do understand that? Hate him though you may, Trump is right about one thing -- if we don't have borders and laws, then we don't even have a country!

    Fact: I knew a man quite well in New Mexico whose fine, old family was a holder of an original Spanish Land Grant given by the King of Spain hundreds of years ago! My own people got here from the Rhineland in Germany only about one hundred years ago. We are BOTH true, native, 'natural-born' citizens of the United States, and I respect and admire his Spanish heritage as much as he respected and admired my German heritage. But we are BOTH legitimate, authentic citizens of the United States, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Does that clear anything up for you at all...?
     
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    True, But immigrants(even legal ones) can be stripped of citizenship and then deported. It has been done many times in the past to mafia members and other criminals from other countries.
     
  25. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me try it like this.

    When I was a teen and I think it was in high school, I read up on the "Man with no country." He could not step foot back in America and he lived his life out on ships. He spent the rest of his life, as I believe the story goes, on water.

    When America booted him out, I believe he could then be called an illegal alien.

    My main point is still that even Obama said he was getting rid of the convicts from Mexico who cross into this country. Time for this country to return that favor.

    https://psmag.com/the-man-without-a-country-the-patriotism-of-philip-nolan-741cce80f9e2#.dxhz3cc81

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    You crack me up.
     

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