Let's suppose we deport all illegal aliens

without consideration for individual circumstances.

What will be the result? Wages go up?

What will that do? Cause prices to go up? Drive more businesses to resort to automation or move overseas?

What will that cause? High unemployment?

What will that cause? Another round of foreclosures and homelessness?

If 11 million illegals are deported, what can be done to prevent the above? Huge taxation of the rich to fund infrastructure projects and put people to work? The right will never agree to that, so they're screwed.

 

Wages and prices will necessarily go up. Bad thing? Depends on who you ask. High unemployment? How can you have millions of vacated jobs increase unemployment?

Yes there will be more automation, but trade agreements in this administration may not be conducive to moving businesses out of the country. Automation is coming either way, so what would we do with all those unskilled illegals once their only source of income goes away? Add illegals to the dole? Not a solution. What will cause foreclosures and homelessness? Should be a healthy round of low income housing available. You ask the wrong questions, and of course get the wrong answers.

 

I think you've got a hard sell trying to convince people we're screwed without illegal immigrants. Cheap labor in certain sectors of the economy, yes, we need them. The so-called jobs Americans won't do, e.g. picking fruit and slaughtering chickens. But what we don't need is cheap labor in construction and other semi-skilled to medium skill work that Americans depend on for sustainable employment. That is killing us.

 

I'm confused. Are you saying higher wages is a bad thing? If so, are you an advocate for a higher minimum wage/living wage? Please explain.

 

Wages go up? Possibly, in fact probably. Prices go up, Not necessarily, given a roll back in the bureaucratic overburden, and a reduction in the corporate tax rate. So your last two things aren't happening. Add to that the fact that it will occur over a fairly lengthy period of time. Also add that if Trump is really serious about penalizing companies who use illegal alien labor, we won't have to send them home they'll go home.

 

I think ole Kode has disappeared down a worm hole.

 

Lots of automation.

For example the poultry industry has employed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants for years to capture and pack up chickens and turkeys for decades even though the means to eliminate 90% of those jobs has been around for 40 years.

 

since I don't think its possible except over a very long length of time the question really doesn't have a basis in reality so this is just hypothetical.

However if it did happen over a very long length of time (a decade or more) and even then probably 75% max would either be deported or self deport, I think we'd see a positive impact on our economy. Some labor intensive industries would suffer in the short term but they will figure it out and I fully expect a full quota of legal immigrant/temporary labor to fill the gaps if/when necessary.

 

Jobs are going to be automated anyway, so that's not a point; even blueberries are now licked by machines. Less than 2% of U.S. crops are handpicked now; most criminal illegal aliens aren't picking anything except pockets. If you want to amuse yourself with what the difference between paying a worker $10 an hour versus $12 or $14 an hour to pick anything, you're going to find that in many cases the 'BIG GIANT PRICE INCREASE IN COSTS N STUFF!!!!' will be in fractions of a cent per pound, and in some cases it might skyrocket up there to maybe 1.2 to 1.5 cents per pound. Raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and your $2 order of an sausage muffin with a drink will rise about 18 cents per order; larger orders will be less, this is just what the cheapest orders would go up by. And, they've been automating those jobs as much as possible for decades, too, and minimum wage is less than half of what it was in 1970 in adjusted dollars, so that whole line of propaganda is garbage, just something the right wing Hive has pulled out of their asses to frighten their children with.

 

It doesn't have to be 100% effective, and nobody claims it would be; if one doesn't do something because the results aren't perfect then nobody will do a thing about anything, so it's not a sound argument against whatever it is one is discussing. We don't call off elections just because some votes will be miscounted or illegal, for instance.

Yes, more or less spot on, and going after the employers who hire them is a much more efficient and cost effective way to approach the problem, and I will believe Trump and the rest of the GOP are actually serious about that when they go after employers.

 

You have some things right there but the final analysis is a fail. Get rid of illegal immigrant workers and a minimum wage regulation isn't even necessary. When the source of cheap labor dries up, the market will automatically increase wages without artificial means. I think everyone agrees automation is coming so we do not need hoards of unskilled labor. That's just more reinforcement to restrict low income migrations into this country. You don't have a skill, you ain't coming. They are destined to be a drain on this country through social services like schools and hospitals, and public assistance.

 

You're not thinking clearly.

There's your unemployment.

But those companies have already started the process. Facilities have been built, arrangements have been made. Tens of billions of dollars have already been spent anticipating a move to other countries. If Trump stops it from happening, those companies will go after him with all they have. And they have lots of power and money to do it.

And even if such trade agreements worked and kept businesses here, they would only do it by raising the price of imports via a tariff. That would reduce imports and increase exports while also increasing our domestic prices. Inflation would increase commensurately. So we would have rising prices, increased automation, and increasing unemployment and poverty.

So you're admitting that Republicans have no real hope of increasing jobs?

Really? People currently have jobs and are paying on their mortgage although they are stretched thin in many cases. When they become unemployed they will be unable in those cases to pay all their bills, and foreclosures will increase. When they are foreclosed on and they have no money for a home, it is called "homelessness". Think.

But you are banking on a housing crash to collapse home prices. That may happen but how will that help those who were foreclosed on? They are the ones with no job, no income, no ability to buy cheap homes. Think.

 

I'm an advocate for higher minimum wage, but in combination with much higher taxes on the rich to fund infrastructure projects to employ more workers in good-paying jobs. So I just pointed out that the republican plan will increase wages but the republicans will never agree to higher taxes on the rich to fund anything. So that way of raising wages is doomed.

 

Hillary does not liked this with 11 million aliens back to foreigns.

 

OP...the problems you outline are a direct cause of the fascist dems bringing in millions of illegals to garner their vote. In short the fascist dems sold out the country for a lousy vote.

An important thing you conveniently left out in your opening propaganda post is that we will have many millions of $ for the US that is not used on dealing with the illegals.

Sure, there may be some adjustments. Fixing things sometimes cause pain. But illegals can work in the US if they get a permit. If no papers, you're out!

 

So let's say corporate taxes are cut to ... what? -15%? That will result in a huge decrease in revenue to run the government, so what will that cause? There are about 2 options. One is that government will have to make up the tax loss by taxing you more! And if workers are taxed more they will have less money to spend on buying "stuff". And that will produce more unemployment since there is no sense paying workers to produce stuff that isn't going to sell.

But there is another alternative: reduce government spending. How? Spend less on education? We won't need well educated people anyway. And the rich will be able to afford education costs for their kids so the kids of the rich can get good jobs and keep wealth in the family. "Screw the ordinary guy". Cut welfare and SNAP! YEAH! Cut public employees!

So this is a job-killing program by a guy and a Party that said they were all about increasing jobs.

 

You have ANY idea what the US spends on illegals education and health care? Apparently you have forgotten ERs and hospitals don't turn away emergency cases of any kind.

Job killing? If 11 million jobs were suddenly open tomorrow, no one would want to fill them, especially in a supply side employment economy, causing a rise in wages? What kind of economic theory is that?

 

For one thing traffic in and around Atlanta will get better.

 

What we can do is stop giving welfare to the millions to the 10's of millions of lazy and unemployed young people here in the US----then they will be forced to take low-paying jobs, or go hungry.

There are more than enough people to do the hard work.

 

Reagan, GHWBush, and GWBush also had millions of illegals flood in on their watch. Reagan was a "biggie". So your "fascist dems" crap is BS.

And what will it cost to deport an illegal. Apprehension, investigation, hearing/questioning, housing, transportation, paperwork ..... maybe $5000 each if it is done in batches? Multiply that by 11 million. Then add to that the cost of the decrease in consumption with them absent and the unemployment that results. You really think it will save money? LOL!!!

Know what? This is all for nothing because mass deportations are not going to happen. Not even the Republicans will allow it.

 

Would you rather have 1/2 a ten inch pie or 1/4 of a 20 inchpie?

 

It will Make America Great Again.....get used to it.

 

No it isn't.

 

So, this is fun to witness. Liberals worried about consequences. It's almost laughable. Just harken back a few months when it was a conversation about mandatory wage hikes vis a vis the minimum wage. Do any of us recall this type of concern being expressed? When it was a top down, forced economic control it was just ducky. And now, allowing the market to rebalance? Never.

Think about what's being asserted here. Wages induce inflation. Typical stupid Keyensianism. Inflation induces unemployment. Again, text book . Unemployment leads to financial crash, got it. All the trifecta of why market controlled wage improvement fails us... Perhaps the most egregious logic leap, though, is the last part.

It is no wonder in our nation that the products of public education fail so miserably. They are poorly prepared, and critical thinking is ignored. Only the slavish ability to regurgitate the dogma counts.

 

In this country as we are now, illegal workers are needed in some sectors. They should be MIGRANT workers though. They come, do the seasonal job and go back home.

That said this needs to be figured out before they bother deporting people. Just like when past Presidents gave amnesty to millions of illegals, but didn't correct the immigration system.....nothing really changed. We still had/have an immigration system that is broken.

IMO of course.