Immigration and Deportation

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  1. popopolitics

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    I hope Trump gets it right this time around. Although I support Trumps policy on Immigration and deportation, I have to say the first EO was poorly written and executed. Hopefully the flaws have been addressed, security people in airports have guidelines and there will not be such disruption and chaos as the first time. I'm also thrilled that he increased ICE agents and Border Patrol. We need these illegal immigrants with criminal histories out of the country ASAP! Tired of repeat offenders living in the US, committing crimes and using taxpayer money to support them! We have homeless vets on the street yet previous administrations would rather pay for food and shelter of illegal aliens. Enough is enough! Get these criminals outta here and keep them out! Complete the wall, increase border patrol and do WHATEVER is necessary to keep them from coming back! There are many immigrants who have NO criminal records and have WORKED in the US for years. I think these people should be given a path to citizenship. If they have been here for years and are productive workers with no criminal histories, I gladly accept those immigrants who want to come to America, embrace our lifestyles and contribute to society, and the vetting process should continue for immigrants coming from nations who sponsor terror.
     
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    I have a problem with granting citizenship to anyone who came in as an illegal. They broke the law and poisoned the well for the millions that come in legally. I understand their desperation but I suspect the immigration atmosphere would be very different if the illegals hadnt flooded in.
     
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    Trump's Conundrum is to find enough people who believe in the rule of law and are willing to enforce it. Not an easy task in these times I'd wager.
     
  4. undertheice

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    the fact that the op lumps the seven nation immigration moratorium in with the push to halt and deport illegal immigrants is part of the problem that our immigration system faces. these are two completely separate matters and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

    on one hand we have the problem of islamic terrorism. these seven predominantly muslim nation have been previously identified as hotbeds of terrorist activity and training, as well as instigators of state sponsored terrorism. while there are many legitimate refugees from these areas that desperately need our assistance and people who have valid reasons for traveling to these places, our vetting system for allowing these people into the country leaves a great deal to be desired. extreme vetting is certainly justified in the case of people traveling from these nations and this was the impetus for the executive order, to give us time for the slowly grinding wheels of the federal bureaucracy to generate and implement a system that gives us the greatest chance of securing our borders from the threat of the sort of violence we see popping up throughout europe and to verify that the status of incoming immigrants

    on the other hand we have the longstanding problem of a rather lackadaisical attitude toward enforcing the penalties for entering our country illegally and the crimes committed in order for these illegal immigrants to exist within our borders. a recently well publicized example of this is identity theft. in order to work in this country one must have certain credentials, credentials that are openly available on the black market. purchasing and using those credentials is a felony. if a legal resident of the united states were to do this they would find themselves facing fines and, most likely, imprisonment. a recent case came up where a woman who had been caught using just credentials was allowed to go about her life, being merely required to check in with authorities on a regular basis. on her last required check-in she was arrested and threatened with deportation and the libs went crazy. she was here illegally and had committed a felony and had been allowed to continue living here, raising a family and acting as if she were a citizen of the united states, but the entire time she was a criminal who had been allowed to simply ignore the law. this is the sort of thing we run up against when we attempt to find some solution to the ten to fifteen million people (a conservative estimate) who have entered this nation illegally.

    we, as united states citizens, are entitled to certain protections. first and foremost is that our government will do everything within its power to ensure the security of its people. we look across the atlantic and find a series of governments that have utterly failed in this respect and trump's executive order was intended to remedy such failures. while it was really nothing more than a stall to allow us time to find a way to more thoroughly ensure the safety of our citizens, it should be recognized as an earnest attempt to fulfill the duties of the federal government. of nearly equal importance is the responsibility of the federal government to ensure that the rule of law is enforced equally among all the people in this nation. for too long those who sneak across our border have been given a special dispensation in this respect. from special orders that the vehicles of illegal immigrant not be impounded due to registration improprieties to the suspension of criminal proceedings due to immigration status, illegal immigrants have been given a "benefit of the doubt" that no legal citizen would ever receive or even expect. while these are two entirely separate matter, the opposition to both of them is grounded in the same bleeding heart mentality and globalist agenda.
     
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    I wanted to mention the woman you speak of in my post but did not have the specifics you mention. I know she was using fake ID's ....fake social security card, so if this is the case, she should be deported. An American citizen accused of the same would be in prison, yet the left used her as an example of someone who should not have been deported. She committed a crime and IMO ICE was enforcing the law when they deported her. She was leading a bad example for her children teaching them ways to work around the system in the US.
     
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    the truth is that i feel sorry for that woman and her family. through a perversion of the law, she was led to believe that everything was fine and dandy and i don't doubt she was a bit confused when she was finally incarcerated. she had every right to be mad as hell, but she should have recognized the possibility. the simple fact of the matter is that we have led all these people to believe they can somehow, someday come out of the shadows and live a real american life, but it was all a sham. the open borders crowd have been agitating for another amnesty for years, but our economy just can't handle the sort of hit it would take if this were to come to pass. we have enough of our own poor, enough people who are willing to take the sort of jobs that have traditionally been the domain of the illegal immigrant, and it was only a matter of time before some sort of crackdown occurred. the rule of law demands that we eventually pay for our crimes.

    don't get me wrong, i'm certainly no angel. i've been a drug dealer, a smuggler and far far worse, but i was always willing to take the heat if and when it all finally caught up with me. even now, with the statute of limitations expired on most of the worst of my crimes, i live in that grey area of the law that gives this essentially moral man the occasional nightmare, but i am still willing to take my lumps if worse comes to worst. that the illegal immigrant population is given this false hope by the progressive movement is perhaps the worst sin in my humble opinion. millions of men, women and children have been led to believe that they are above the law.
     
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    Deportation is a scummy policy. A quick fix to allow someone to pat themselves on the back, and say, "Hey, look at what I did!"

    In fact, its one of the most Un-American stances one can take. Good job.
     
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    I disagree ! Trump's conundrum is Trump in that he is not honest with with his fans or the rest of us or with himself. He cannot be looking for those who believe in the rule of law if he himself does not believe as if he believes in the rule of law. The other fact is that he is still in campaign mode and mood. He either does not understand that he is POTUS or he does not know or want to act like a POTUS which means you govern using the rule of law.

    Look at this weekend when he held what two rallies!! Why the f-ing hell does a president need to hold campaign rallies when he in not running in a campaign!! I think that he is a sick arsed bastard who loves to have his cultists cheer him on and tell him how great he is.
     
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    I seem to remember Obama making speeches on CNN for the entire duration of his presidency. You had to have been in a coma the last 8 years not to have seen it. He always had a backdrop of mixed races and genders behind him. Sound familiar yet? Why shouldn't Trump be allowed make a speech or two?
     
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    deportation is hardly "unamerican". we have long since passed the point where we can allow every tom, dick and harry who wants to be here to simply come on in and make themselves at home. perhaps it's time you joined the rest of us in the twenty-first century, where the world's limited resources make it imperative that national boundaries be honored and the rights of the people of those nations be honored as well. maybe you think that this, being a wealthy nation, can afford to take in the world's dross and make up for it by stealing the wealth we have accumulated from the those who have spent their lives working for it. how long do you think it will take before we've run through that wealth? how long do you think it will take before the world's peasantry have turned us into just another stinking hell hole?

    i think we can all see that your entire post is just another example of anti-trump dreck. after eight long years of listening to our previous potus campaigning at every turn, you only now choose to find such behavior odious? as the media, the democratic party and even his fellow republicans seek to undermine his every decision, one can hardly fault trump in seeking to reassure his constituency of his steadfastness in completing his agenda.
     
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    What does making speeches "on the CNN" mean?? What is a "the CNN"? Is that like in "the park"? Or on "the tarmac" ?
    CNN is not a place it is a network. All news networks have a chance too carry but are you implying that only CNN was allowed to carry his speeches? I hardly think so.

    So what is your point ?
     
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    Trump is just enforcing laws that already exist. Obama took away the ability for ICE to deport many of these illegals who have committed illegal acts. Trump took the chains off and law and order will prevail. Who wouldn't want this for our country? We have enough legal American citizens who commit crimes that need to be locked up!
     
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    Reconsider. The oldest trick in the book when a nation finds itself in deep, deep economic trouble with no way out, is to find an enemy within to take the heat. The current immigration argument . . . . are you ready for this . . . . isn't about immigration, legal or otherwise! It's a deflection to distract us from the economy. Bring up an enemy within and there will be plenty of people who jump on it and believe it, -enough to embroil the whole nation in a pointless debate!

    Always describe the enemy in the worst terms and all lies. I have had posters on this forum actually tell me that if we were to deport all 11 million illegals, the murder rate, the rape rate, the robbery rate and burglary rate..... they would all go way down. What a crock. There are no statistics to support that but there are right wing extremist articles on Breitbart, Fox, Newsmax, etc. to declare and describe the lies with lies.

    The economy would most likely tank if all the illegals were deported for multiple reasons I listed elsewhere, but certainly the crime rate would not go down.

    Liberals and lefties, don't fall for it! Become well informed about the fundamental, underlying problems with this economic system that so badly needs to be change to something new.
     
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    I agree we don't need to deport 11 million illegals. We DO need to deport the criminals! There are are many people I believe need a path to citizenship. People who have been keeping a steady job and contributing to society. For example, there are so many Mexicans doing the hard labor of picking crops....jobs which most Americans wouldn't even want. Many farmers depend on these people and without them there would be no one to do this back breaking work. Most able bodied kids would rather work at McDonald's than pick fruit in the heat of the day. So yes it would be an economic disaster to deport all of them. I don't think Trump is going to do this. It's the fear and panic being propagated by the left that's causing illegals to worry. I think Trump will do the right thing. As a businessman, he has had to deal with immigrants with work visas so he knows their contribution to society. I agree that the economy is part of the issue, but we have to start somewhere or do nothing at all.
     
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    I agree with you.... mostly. All illegals are criminals because of the fact they are here. They are criminals because the work here- either for cash (illegal) or thru fake IDs. Fake IDs steal another' identity (felony). So while a peaceful working alien might be a low priority, they still victimize citizens and need to be straightened out.


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    I can't follow you reasoning. Are you saying we should shoot them? Or ignore criminals? I think deportation is very civil - akin to escorting someone out of the building.


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    Simplify naturalization for those not already here, and create a pathway to naturalization for those who are already here.

    Simplicity 101.
     
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    You are just picking a different enemy and the wrong one, to boot. The enemy is globalism which is destroying the working class by, among other methods, advocating free borders.
     
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    It is the nature of immigration that they come into the country with the culture and mores of their Homeland it always takes a generation or two for the immigrants Offspring to learn truly what it means to be an American probably one of the most obvious examples of this are the Italians and the mafia
     
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    Case in point why cant the UAE take in some of these immigrants. This is one of the richest countries in the world. World class infrastructure...
    new buildings, airports resorts....they have used all their billions to improve their country and don't want immigrants from these ME countries coming even though they are well equipped to afford it unlike the US. The UAE,which includes Abu Dhabi, Ajman, Fujairah, Sharjah, Dubai Ras al-Khaimah and Umm al-Qaiwai, has obviously embraced "UAE First". UAE claims they have given $530 million to the United Nations to help refugees from ME countries, but they don't want to take any in. Do you think there's a reason for that????
     
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    Excuse me but Obama spent the last year going on an "apology tour" while he was in office! America is in a period of transition not a period of shame. The only people who are ashamed to be Americans are the left. If they don't like it here...there's the door. I guess we are in the state we're in because Hillary supporters didn't bother to vote!
     
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    My only problem with Trump's actions on immigration is that he allowed that unconstitutional DACA to remain. I hope that pos Obama EO is challenged soon. So-called DREAMERs are as or more reprehensible than most of the other illegal aliens here, minus the most violent and felonious of course...
     
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    But it isn't about them. It's about us. It always HAS been about us. Our laws are to protect us and make us strong. We have every right to limit immigration to those we welcome into our society.
     
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    Bravo :applause: A copy of this post should be sent to every liberal every day/
     
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    That in a nutshell is why America is going down the tubes. The fascist dems make up their own rules as they go. If you don't agree with their fantasy world then they want to take you out.
     
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