Whats the Problem with Islam?

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  1. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

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    From https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

    I’m confused. Are you confused? Are they confused? Is our Media confused? Are our Politicians confused?

    IF WE COULD JUST FIGURE OUT WHO’S CAUSING THE PROBLEM…Let’s see… do I understand this thing correctly?

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
    The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
    The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
    The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

    *** THINK OF IT: ***

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    ***WHEREAS***

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

    *** SO THIS LEADS TO: ***

    They’re not happy in Gaza
    They’re not happy in Egypt
    They’re not happy in Libya
    They’re not happy in Morocco
    They’re not happy in Iran
    They’re not happy in Iraq
    They’re not happy in Yemen
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan
    They’re not happy in Pakistan
    They’re not happy in Syria
    They’re not happy in Lebanon
    They’re not happy in Nigeria
    They’re not happy in Kenya
    They’re not happy in Sudan

    *** SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? ***

    They’re happy in Australia
    They’re happy in England
    They’re happy in Belgium
    They’re happy in France
    They’re happy in Italy
    They’re happy in Germany
    They’re happy in Sweden
    They’re happy in the USA & Canada
    They’re happy in Norway & India

    They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!

    And who do they blame? Not Islam. Not their leadership. Not themselves.

    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

    AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN, TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

    I’m completely stumped…
    Any idea who might be causing the problem?
    The protesters say it’s Trump.
     
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    BlackHogGranolaBrown Banned

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    Tatars are Muslims, and live peacefully in loyalty to countries they reside in Eastern Europe. (Today at least)
     
  3. Baff

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    The Tartars are not loyal in Crimea.

    I have no particular problems with the muslim faith. It has it's share of issues as do all faiths. I don't look at them and think they are any better or worse than all the others. Just more of the same.
     
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    well its my understanding that the method to spread Islam is war, as did the prophet of Islam Muhammad did and taught his followers to do. hence peaceful coexistence isn't in the Muslim psyche.

    thing is you are correct, these people will expect to live as they please and their pleasure to eliminate anyone not like themselves. Islam leaders have openly admitted to admiring people like Hitler, because Islam has been the standard for such thinking long before there was such a thing as Nazism.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    You never heard of the Arabian Trade Routes? They helped spread Islam.

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  6. dairyair

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    WTF does western rifle shooters know about anything other than shooting rifles?

    But to answer the flame bait OP, ignorance. From all sides.
     
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    No question.. They didn't even know that every Arab country signed on with the Allies by 1939.
     
  8. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Well,
    Hindus living with Christians: East India Company,
    Christians with Chinese religions, Boxar rebellion,
    Hindus with Hindus, Tamil Tigers,
    Christians with Christians, ohmygod where to begin, IRA, 30 years war a.s.o., a.s.o.
    Christians with Jews, Holocaust, Inquisition
    Atheists with Christians, Gulag,
    Buddhism and Chinese, Tibet,
    Jews and Sikhs (and many other combinations), uh, what? Where do you look to see what happens there?

    Most religions have battled against other versions of themselves, as well as most close-by religions. Jews, Baha'is, Sikhs, Atheists and Confucians haven't interacted with that many other religions on any particularly interesting scale. Islam does happen to be geographically close to a lot of religions. Of course, I'm not blaming Christianity or Hindus or whatnot for the above, I'm just saying war between close by nations isn't exactly rare.

    But sure, nobody is claiming that ISIS or the 9/11 people aren't problematic. The question is what to do about it. Turns out making war unto other religions doesn't do that much to suppress them, and in fact just gives their recruiters more fodder.

    Triple Entente tries to suppress Germany after WWI? Germany holds a grudge and strikes back as soon as they're back on their feet.
    9/11 bombers want to punish western involvement in middle east? US invades middle east in response.
    US goes to war against Iraq and Afghanistan? Some muslims start fearing for their lives and start ISIS in response.

    This isn't about who's the problem, it's about how to deal with it. Turns out branding oneself as fundamental enemies of others does very little in terms of easing problems.
     
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    Well Islam, much like any other religion, is not a problem. It's the interpretation of it from the followers.
     
  10. Battle3

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    Typical response from the "progressive" peanut gallery, you can't refute the argument so you try to distract to the messenger.

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    Then communism is not a bad system, its just that its never been "interpreted" properly?

    At some point, when its been failure after failure after failure, you can't blame the "interpretation" of the system. You have to blame the system itself.
     
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    I have no problems with how Kuwait runs their Islamic society. They also take a very strong stance against extremists.
     
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    Islam is just having a bad millennium. It could happen to anyone.
     
  13. dairyair

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    I notice you could not enlighten us on how western rifle shooters has any relevance to the topic.
    But have to instead engage in a personal attack. We'll take that as, they have no relevance and you can't give them relevance.

    They are just trolling and trolls fall for it.

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    Christianity had their own bad millenium. AKA, the dark ages.
     
  14. Battle3

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    Typical response from the "progressive" peanut gallery, you can't refute the argument so you try to distract to the messenger.
     
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    https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/about/
    Now I see why you can't give them credibility on the topic. They have no credibility about anything.
    Typical of trolling sites. You belong to this group?
     
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  17. Battle3

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    I don't care what the group is about, their web site posted an interesting and insightful opinion, and I shared it. And that's the difference between a conservative and a "progressive" - conservatives can look at the content of a persons character and can recognize value, while "progressives" can only see skin deep.
     
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    You left out the definition of "progressive" as a noun - a person who thinks they are superior to all other people, who has no respect or tolerance for differing opinions and people, and who wants to control everyone else.
     
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    I disagree. And judging by the amount of response this is getting others seem to as well.
    It was not interesting or insightful. Just a uninformed hack job. And you've offered nothing to substantiate their illinformed opinion as valid.
    What character does this hack job website have?

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    Maybe you can link me to that definition?
    That sounds like the typical far RW nutter definition.
     
  20. Battle3

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    Have you noticed that all your posts have nothing to do with the subject of this OP? All you have written is attacks on the messenger, and nothing about the message.

    Yes, typical response from the "progressive" peanut gallery, you can't refute the argument so you try to distract to the messenger. That approach got you President Trump.
     
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    Have you noticed nobody has responded?
    I have not attacked you 1 time, just the very horrible website.
    Yet every one of your posts to me have been personal. But that is no surprise. I've asked several times why anyone should give your link credibility. And your response is to personally attempt to attack me.


    Good, I preferred trump over hilary.
     
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    The problem with islam goes back to its founder. Not a Christ like or Buddha like figure. It was created as the blood ran, and people died and that has been its history, waxing and waning, but never going away.

    Christianity could be reformed because the religion was not following the teachings of Christ, its founder. So reforming was easier, by just moving back to what he told people to do. Mohammed told people what to do as well. And the religion, especially in the middle east reflects this. Why make it more complicated than it is? Generally the apologists complicate it, to detract from the simple facts.

    Mohammed was such a lucky guy. For god chose him to be the end all when it came to this monotheistic god of the Jews. So what mohammed says corrects the record, and puts mohammed on top, and his religion is the only true one. God showed the arabs the jews were not the chosen people, mohammed and his arab army was. Cause god told him.

    And unlike Christ who taught the golden rule, who was not a conquerer, mohammed returned to war and spreading islam by the sword. Clearly this religion is the sort the liar, the Satan would create to fool people into thinking they were doing good when they were doing his will instead.

    It is closer to the religion of the Aztecs than to other religions. Not in its rituals or beliefs but in its primitive brutality and attitudes towards others.
     
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    What's the correct interpretation?
     
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    It's more appropriate to compare and contrast Mohammed to Moses than it is to compare Mohammed to Jesus.

    Mohammed and Moses could be twins. They were both lunatics and homicidal maniacs. The main difference between them was that Mohammed wasn't as racist as Moses was. He was willing to accept anyone into his group if they accepted his fairy tale. Moses, on the other hand, wanted to exclude everyone who wasn't a member of his clannish ethnocentric group. He was racist to the bone and had no interest in recruiting other groups into his fairy tale.

    Both Moses and Mohammed claimed to have had a direct line to their deity and were eager to kill anyone who said otherwise. They both generated a ton of rules that everyone had to follow on penalty of death. It's a good thing they both didn't exist at the same time.
     
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    They probably understand the Koran more along the line explained here......

    http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html


    Subject: by Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi
    The Qur'an and the Land of Israel
     

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