Returning power to the states is a terrible idea

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    What happens in California has to happen in Louisiana and Maine, or vice verse.

    Federal regulations keep all the states in the union in balance, and returning power to an individual state is a way of wracking havoc on that important balance. Let's take for example, this whole issue over transgender restrooms can be solved through a federal regulation that requires a third restroom to be installed that is gender neutral. And this can be accomplished through a executive order. It would make transgender activists hsppy, and put this issue to rest.

    A tax on this endeavor would be no less obscene than a tax to go toward financing the southern border. I use this transgender restroom issue as an example because it's so hot right now. A federal regulation on these matters trumps returning power to the states. And it's not stomping on citizens rights either.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    You have mischaracterized the transgender bathroom accomodations. The accomodations required by law are either allowing the TG person to shower/use the bathroom with the gender of their choice, or unisex bathrooms for ALL.

    From the Obama Justice Department (page 3 of 8):
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/850986/download
     
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    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    No no no it doesn't.

    The fed can't return something it never had or never should have had. I believe in a strong but limited central government. That government has more important issues to deal with than telling folks what bathroom to use.
     
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    with the issue of transgender bathrooms... people in california want it one way and people in louisiana want it another way. A national solution would always leave half of the people unhappy. Better to just let them do it how they want in their states. Otherwise you're just creating unnecessary divisions.

    there are things which are best handled on a national level... bathrooms is not one of those things.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes by all means, let's all just ignore our entire system of government for feelings.

    Could you show me the bathroom management clause that was enumerated to the federal government?
     
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    The Constitution pretty much lined out what the Feds should have power over. Enforcing the Bills of Rights and the Constitution as a whole is really about it. So while the Feds can and should make a state comply with the Amendments....1st, 2nd, and all of them. They should not force bathrooms, unless under the 14th amendment they can prove it is depriving someone of their liberty.
     
  7. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Freedom is freedom, dude. This isn't about restrooms, its about the freedom of allowing someone to use the restroom regardless of sexual orientation.
     
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    That 0.001%. Good one.
     
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    Of course you think its a terrible idea. You are a "progressive", and "progressives" want dictatorial power to force their ideology (their religion) on everyone else. You can't return power to the states and let people think for themselves, then they would kick the progs out.
     
  10. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    It's about freedom as a whole, and to refrain from enacting discriminatory practices. And religion has nothing to do with transgenderism, so I don't want to hear about godly, moral objections. The solution I'm presenting here is to have a gender-neutral restroom installed in businesses across America, or simply stop having "Mens" and "Womens" rooms, and simply label it as "Restroom." Big box retailers like Target and Walmart have a third restroom designated as a family restroom, obviously retailers would be able to do what all businesses (regardless of size) have to do: adapt or die.

    Secondly, the foundation of which America sits on, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, were authored in another period of time that were not designed to withstand millennium after millennium. What was common practice in 1800 isn't going to be common practice in 2017. These documents need almost entirely a new rewrite in order to co-exist with the 21st Century. In other words, redefine the government.
     
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    Ludicrous, people can already use the bathroom regardless of sexual orientation.
     
  12. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Giving power to the states is not giving power to the people. It's simply localizing government, dividing over being one body. I honestly believe America needs to be more of an agnostic country than a Christian one, since there is no evidence there is a God to say, "In God We Trust." By having a federal regulation over individual state regulations, you have the deep red and deep blue states coinsiding with each other.
     
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    Pretty much told me what I'd be dealing with :icon_picknose:
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really?

    Since you're all about "freedom", please explain to us what parts of the BoR and Constitution are no longer relevant, and which of those freedoms would you like to have stripped?

    You know, so we can have more "freedom".
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Or, we could stop labeling the restrooms altogether. The only difference will be one will have more stalls than the other. Problem solved.
     
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    I disagree

    It would be the same as saying that Germany because they are a member of the EU should not be able to make laws that govern their people. We are a republic and our states are independent legal entities that are members at will.
     
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    Some parts are more relevant than others.

    The First Amendment, for example, can stay with a few rewrites. It would recognize religious establishments, such as churches and mosques, as public institutions and not private ones, so there would be no impediment on exercising ones religion of choice. The rewritten First Amendment would allow the SCOTUS ruling for the LGBTQ community in 2015, to be protected, since all religious organizations are viewed as public developments. Commercial speech and political speech are equally protected, as where it stands, there is less protection toward commercial speech than political speech.

    Since this thread concerns the tenth amendment especially, the current provisions within the tenth amendment would be removed completely, and replaced. The rewritten tenth amendment would give the federal government power to regulate the union, in a manner that benefits all states of the union the best. The tenth amendment would favor the federal government in terms of, for example, the education system and social rights. Therefore, there is no separation of powers.
     
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    That is total, absolute BS.

    The "progressives" want to dictate to all the nation, not just to the "deep blue" states. Look at the past 8 years. There can be no coexistence between the "progressives" and the rest of the people, and that means there can be no powerful central govt for the "progressives" to gain control of and then impose their doctrine.
     
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    So stripping sovereignty from the states is your answer? We would cease to be a Republic and as such I would warn you to be careful what you wish for. Because at this point in history the things you find important are popular but in a 100 years can you guarantee that the government and people will be as benevolent? The states sovereignty is important to keep our freedoms and allow us to live as we wish.
     
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    History says you are wrong. In fact it emboldens them if you give an inch. They scream it is separate and unequal because by making Little Tommy who prefers to be known as Tina use a separate bathroom than all the other girls he identifies with hurts his feelings and ostracizes him. Fairly well every school that has tried this got confronted with how this solution was unacceptable to the TrannyMafia.
     
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    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    Although I find the way he presented this as unnecessarily crude he is correct separate but equal has been shown to be unconstitutional. As such if used to rectify a supposed equal rights issue it would fail in courts.
     
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    Nobody is preventing trannies from using the restroom. We are just saying they cannot use the opposite sex's restroom.
     
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    Show me where you have the "right" to choose your gender. Then we'll talk.
     
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    I have a better idea. Instead of every business in the country "adapt or die" as you say. Why not let the much smaller minority of transgenders adapt?
     
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    And what I find crude is the way these zealots try to paint anyone who tries to accommodate them in some way as scum of the earth villains because thet take other students in consideration other than Tommy who thinks he is Tina who wants to force everybody else to cosplay in their malfunctioning reality.
     

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