There is a time to kill. Keep abortion legal.

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If not for Roe V. Wade, there would now be among us another fifty five million people all raised by mothers who would have just as soon killed them had it been legal. Perhaps abortion does kill the right human beings.

    If an unwanted human being intruded upon my home, I would most certainly shoot them dead.
    Such an offense is far less intrusive than an unwanted pregnancy; and yet, it justifies the homicide.

    I would not impose those babies upon those women, by force, not even by force of law.
    l would not impose those women upon those babies, by force, not even by force of law.
    There is a time to kill. Keep abortion legal.
     
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    RiseAgainst Banned

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    This is a very difficult subject for me. But I think (and I'd appreciate if someone had a source to back this up) the majority of abortions are done by Democrat voters. So they're murdering future Democrats.

    If this can be confirmed I support abortion.
     
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    And maybe they might just kill you. No plan survives first contact.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Here is an idea: Instead of killing babies how about we work on society and the root cause of the problem to begin with?
     
  5. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a moderate conservative, and one of the reasons why I'm moderate is because I'm pro choice. No, I'm not pro abortion, I'm anti anyone telling someone what they can and cannot do with their bodies. With that said, all I can say is I hope people make the right choices.

    PS, don't hit me with the legalized drug issue, I have a response for that.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    I see your point except abortion involves someone else's body also:The unborn child.
     
  7. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know what? I could argue this either way, not because both ways are right, but because there are valid arguments on both sides. This is a subject where I'm conflicted, thus one of the reasons I'm a moderate.
     
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    What about prostitution?
     
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    I find the loss of human life troubling on the topic also. I see the point in the OP but it seems the life of the unborn child is not even considered.
     
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    I believe the pro-abortion camp believe that the fetus is not a human being yet so it's ok to kill it.

    P.s. I am actually pro-life.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Society" is neither the problem or the solution.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Society is the problem, abortion is a symptom.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you only pro-choice for women ?
    Do you support a man's choice to walk away from the baby right up to viability ?

    OR

    Would you have men be legally on the hook from conception?
     
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    Yes, that is where I have a problem with it. It seems they are devaluing human life in order to achieve some greater good. The OP assumes these unborn children would have a bad life and suffer. That is not necessarily true.
     
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    I am actually not against ALL forms of abortion. The main problem I have with abortion is that it technically amounts to murder but the pro-choice crowd thinks this is OK if the entity being killed is not a full-fledged person.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Women were aborting unwanted babies, and even discarding unwanted children, long, long, long before anything we would consider a "society" ever existed. The problem is not societal; it is endemic. It is cosmic. Unfortunately, it is natural, but it is not societal.

    You cannot fix human nature sociologically. You can, at best, contend with your own nature. Beyond that, you simply do not have the influence that you have been left to believe you have.

    Human nature is the problem; society is the symptom, including abortion.
     
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    Here's how I feel about this; if the man wants an abortion and the woman doesn't then the man is off the hook for the kid. If the man wants the kid and the woman doesn't then the man is out of luck, it's not his body.m
     
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    People have also murdered others for sometime but that does not mean we should legalize it.
     
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    I agree with you. This is an extremely personal decision.
     
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    So murder is ethical if it is in the name of population control? What if China decided to kill 300 million of its poorest in the name of population control?

    So if you saw a baby in your yard you would shoot it. You are a walking dead baby joke.

    Whats worse, murder or an unwanted pregnancy?
     
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    It involves another human being in my view. The whole notion of abortion is a symptom of a bigger problem, as I stated earlier. It comes from society's refusal to address issues involving family structure as it relates to having children. I mean, we are trying to have a society here. Does individual rights over ride that? And if they do what about the individual unborn human and the respect for human life?
     
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    Abortion is not and never should be about " killing babies". Although population control is desirable. Abortion is often the result of contraception failure. Get better contraception and abortion rates go down
     
  23. Steve N

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    There are so many angles to approach this from and the unborn human is one of them. But the last thing an abortion should be is an escape from responsibility. I would be ok with sterilizing people for free when they get an abortion.
     
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    Are you aware that a significant proportion of women having abortions are in a stable relationship

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    So long as it is the male who caused the unwanted pregnancy in the first place I am ok with that
     
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    I doubt that.
     

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