Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ball

Ok, so the fraud that never happens actually does happen. While the numbers aren't monumental...yet...that it does happen means the left can't argue for more stringent voting controls, and there's absolutely no reason to believe all of the fraud was found, especially after the revelations from Project Veritas. Why would the left be against more voting assurances?

If you think about it, there is currently more proof that illegals voted illegally than there is of Russian influence. But what do the MSM headlines say?

 

This is impossible. Liberals told me it's impossible.

 

You beat me to it but...yeah, liberals have assured me
no one is abusing our system of elections in this way.

So what am I supposed to think now? They are liars? Yeah...right!

 

Wait for it. wait for it, here it comes. Voting assurances = Voter ID's = Voter suppression = RACISM

 

Check your article. There is no indication that these folks are illegals. It says non citizens, not illegal aliens.

That being said, this Secretary of State makes this claim very election.

Yet amazingly the convictions for this are exceedingly rare. Why? Because it seems to be nonsense.

From 2012

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...presidential-election-in-key-swing-state.html

This guy seems to see voter fraud as much as Trump, yet offers little proof of if and never seems capable of fixing the problem.

 

I have always supported stricter voter ID laws but I have always wanted the ID to be provided for free to those voters that do not have another accepted form of voter ID. I think the problem a lot of people have with the stricter voter ID laws is they believe the real intention is to suppress voting by American citizens that have the right to vote. Greater voter turn out should be the goal of every democracy and intentionally trying to lower voter turnout simply because it benefits the party I/they support is wrong. Ask yourself do you support stricter voter ID laws because it will reduce the amount of illegal voting or because you think it will lower a significant number of votes from people that have the legal right to vote.

 

There should not be any non citizens voting but let's get real here folks if thecTrumpeizda claims that there were 3,000,000 million non citizens voting we still have to find 2,999, 018... that us not a case for the sky is falling and it's raining illegal voters now is it! Oh but with Trump 's fondness for Fake News and a lie a minute what else can we expect is hyper ultra exaggeration.

Ps the problem here was at the registration point not at the voting booth. People should never be allowed to. E registered as voters if they are not citizens.

 

voter suppression is always the excuse given, but we know better. the only significant portion of the population that would be affected consists of those too stupid to get the proper identification and those who are ineligible to vote. that illegals don't vote to any great degree is another of their excuses, but those of us with ties in that community know better. legal hispanic voters are traditionally among the most conservative of america's citizens, yet hispanic communities are consistently swayed to the left by illegal voters and their collaborators attempting to maximize their chances to gain power. the truth is that corruption is considered justifiable in the service of the progressive cause. whether it is through the actions of workers at polling places, the use of citizens casting multiple ballots or the importation of non-citizen voters, the progressive movement has been shown time and again to have no qualms about perverting the electoral process to attain their own ends. each time they are caught we hear the same excuses - it was only one occasion, it was too little to matter or it was all a lie to further the great right-wing conspiracy.

 

More like John Husted makes up some numbers to support his anti-democracy views.

So let's do the math. We'll take his fake numbers and assume that they're real.

Let's see he claimed that 821 non-citizen's were registered to vote.
That 126 may have actually voted.

Oh wait. Here we have our first fakeness:



Partisan Hack John Husted got the 821 number by adding up the number, according to him, of non-citizens registered 2013 (291), 2015 (145), and 2017 (385).

So we're just going to have to work with the 385 since he doesn't specify if the people in 2013, 2015, and 2017 are the same people or different.

You know what... let's just use the largest number 821, just to be generous.

There are 7,700,000 registered voters in Ohio.

That means that John Husted, the partisan hack, is claiming that .01% of the registered voters in Ohio were non-citizens illegally registered to vote.

But wait! You exclaim in righteous indignation, "Not all registered voters vote!" OK, that's a relevant point.

Let's be generous again and use the figure 5,496,487 which is the number of votes cast in the Presidential Election in 2016.

That means that the illegal non-citizen voters accounted for 126 votes a WHOPPING .002%of the total votes in the Ohio election , assuming that you take partisan hack John Husted's number as being not fake.

So I'm sure this thread will continue with a bunch of right-wingers running in to post the standard "But the left tells us that there's no voting fraud!"

No, that's either just right-wing propaganda or pure ignorance by right-wing shills. The left acknowledges that there is voting fraud (just ask Republicans) but it amounts to an extremely insignificant amount of the total voters.

I'd also add that Ohio's .002% non-citizen voting rate also does a pretty good job of disputing the whole 3,000,000 illegal immigrants voting clap-trap by the rabid right-wing.

Here's a chart to help visualize this YUGE problem:



Naturally, according to our right-wing "friends," it's better to make it more disenfranchise millions of people to vote just to stop a few hundred people who shouldn't vote and were caught anyways..

That's right-wing "logic" for you.

 

No they didn't, that's just more right-wing lies. The "left" claims that it is insignificant as a whole in terms of the number of people who vote, and they're right.

 

Statistically, this is a non-event.
Next.

 

Statistically, any mass shooting is a non event yet.....

 

Imagine California and new York, where Crooked Democrats will run rampant. I bet Trump is right yet again...

 

Just more nonsense from the fanatical right.

 

Fraud is very difficult to prove, and voter fraud is even more difficult, but yes it does exist. Better would be for the federal government to issue a federal voter ID card to each citizen who can legally vote in a federal election.

 

This was what they were counting on when they repeatedly said, "Trump has no path to victory."

 

Can we apply the same statistics to other non events such as cops shooting blacks?

 

Does it matter if they were legal immigrant non citizens or illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the country ?

Twenty years ago in California in just one Congressional district in Orange County, California:

 

If we treated terrorism as a non-event, we would be better off. But we run around like chickens with our heads cut off and the terrorists get exactly the response they wanted.

 

There is a full two years between each election cycle. If each state agrees to pay for those who can't otherwise afford an ID, there's no other excuse.

 

It was the Clinton administration who declared that terrorism and Al Qaeda were a law enforcement issue and not a national security issue.

It was President Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno who put up the "wall" that forbid intelligence agencies, federal law enforcement and state and local law enforcement from sharing information with each other on terrorist organizations preventing the dots from being connected that allowed 9/11 to happen.

President G.W. Bush inherited Clinton's failed counter terrorist policies and regulations. Bush would change those really stupid Clinton policies and regulations that killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11-01.

Lets hope America doesn't go European that when there is a terrorist attack on American soil that America's reaction isn't "That's life in todays world."

 

The organization that fervently opposes checking IDs to vote in election did just that on Saturday during its election for party chairman.

The Democratic National Committee was planning to use electronic “clickers” to cast ballots for its next leader, but that plan was scrapped moments before the vote was scheduled to begin.

“Pursuant to the rules of procedure, the chair has the discretion as to the voting mechanism,” chairwoman Donna Brazile said.

“And it’s my determination, based on the system that we tested this morning, that I would like to use paper ballots. And I’ll tell you why.

“We have to make sure that we can not just count the ballots but verify every name and signature,” Brazile said as party members began applauding. “And I want to make sure that at the conclusion of all of our votes, that you, the members of this party, will be able to review those ballots.”

[video=youtube;hOvmrxxWv0M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvmrxxWv0M[/video]

 

So it appears that while it is perfectly reasonable for Donna "bigger than" Brazile to be concerned about voter fraud but for Republicans to share those concerns is rampant paranoia.

 

This guy makes this claim every year, and when put through the grinder test, it always turn out to be way less than he claims.

This is a story from two years ago:

"Forty-four non-citizens may have voted illegally in Ohio at some point since 2000.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has been on a mission to weed out purported voter fraud in the state since he took office in 2011. After launching an investigation into what he called an “expanding loophole” allowing non-citizens to vote in Ohio and potentially decide elections, he announced Thursday that 145 non-citizens were registered to vote illegally in 2014, amounting to just .0002 percent of the 7.7 million registered voters in the state.

Husted’s office would not provide any information about the 27 people it referred to the Attorney General’s office for further review. But in 2013, his office sent 17 potential cases — .0003 percent of total ballots cast in the state — to the AG who eventually referred them to county prosecutors. Most reports of voting irregularities were dropped by the county prosecutors because the “voter fraud” problems were determined to have been caused by simple mistakes and confused senior citizens, according to a Cleveland Plain Dealer investigation.

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Voter fraud in Ohio is a fifth-degree felony and could carry up to a year in prison. But of the cases referred to prosecutors&#8217; offices in 2013, most irregularities were caused by voter confusion or mistakes made by elections officials and not deliberate attempts to commit fraud, the investigation found. For example, Cuyahoga County looked into 15 cases referred from Husted&#8217;s office and chose not to pursue criminal charges against any of the individuals, concluding that the voters were confused about the &#8220;Golden Week&#8221; during which people can both register to vote and also cast their absentee ballot.

In total, only four people were convicted of voting fraud as a result of the 2013 investigation."


Ohio&#8217;s Huge Voter Fraud Investigation Turns Up Nearly Nothing

 

a non citizen who votes in our election has just become illegal, no?

Do you ever analyze your thoughts?