Both Antisemitism and Islamaphobia on the rise in Europe

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a rise in both antisemitism and islamophobia in Europe at the moment. This is something which we should all be addressing. However I find on this forum, the far right frequently use terms in a manner that really is not their true meaning at all. I'm going to give my version of a lot of the 'hate words' I have noticed on this forum and then go on to give some details of the rise in both antisemitism and Islamophobia in Europe in general and Islamaphobia in particular within the US and the UK.

    So here are some of the 'name calling' I have noticed here and my belief as to what they really mean.

    Self hating – person with conscience

    Political correctness – drat this person acts in a respectful way towards others – don't want them to start having a go at me, so will accuse them of this. The only way I could possibly think/feel that way towards such scum is if I was gagging myself and using Political Correctness, I'll blame them for that.

    (I'm not sure whether some of these people may honestly think treating people of different race, sex or religion with respect could only done by people gagging their real hate.)

    Bigot – usually someone with a different opinion

    Fascist – simply used to have a go regardless of whether there is any meaning in it.

    left/leftie/far leftie – just another spray all term to throw at anyone with a less right winged opinion.

    liberal/socialist - now it would appear the preserve of the far right :omg:

    antisemitic – anyone who has a different opinion to .....

    Wahhabi – any Muslim

    all these terms are used to stop discussion and abuse the opponent – hence clearly all these terms are used when people believe they cannot argue their point.

    Biggest other tactic – taking something which a person has said somewhere else and twisting it and saying they were saying something completely different to what they were saying. Exhausting the person so much with all this that they get bored of the forum.

    The intention of this behaviour.

    Would seem to get rid of plausible opposition and different thinking. Should imagine is quite effective.

    Let's now have a look at antisemitism and Islamophobia, the very things which the above are frequently used in connection with.

    UK's Politically Correct report on antisemitism



    http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm73/7381/7381.pdf

    Antisemitism and Islamophobia in Europe

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/18/islam.religion

    please note
    hmn maybe there is some good in that Political Correctness after all.
    ........
    I would have guessed as much.

    Regarding just Islamophobia

    New report says Islamophobia warps integration efforts
    8 May 2008
    http://www.irr.org.uk/2008/may/ha000011.html

    Doesn't surprise me a bit. Do people really not know that racism and hatred of the 'other' is the very thing to cause conflict and to make people want to seperate?

    Islamophobia in the USA


    Islamophobia worse in America now than after 9/11, survey finds
    · Majority says Islam has most violent followers
    · Analysts blame politicians and media coverage
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/10/usa.religion



    Reality Check?

    Anyone still not realise that when you choose to pick out/demonise any group of people you have put your cards on the table and proclaimed yourself for what you are.
     
  2. DinoDino

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  3. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we are at war with Islam now are we? No, we are not. The BNP may find it fun to try a bit of fear mongering among it's people in order to get more support, but that is all it is. At the same time it is demonizing all Muslims because of the actions of a few.

    What on earth are these great debates you try to get involved in? All I have noticed is silly Newspaper clippings which almost always turn out to have little or no truth in them.

    75% of the UK population to not agree with you Dino....and that is at a time when religious hatred has never been being persued more in the tabloids, certainly in my lifetime.

    Also please note this is not just talking about Muslims. It is also talking about Jews. 9% of our population are antisemitic. What have you to say about that?

    The reality is that Germany the country which was responsible for the Holocaust now has 25% of its people antisemitic and 50% Homophobic. I find it worrying seeing Europe like that, but I suspect you would be out there fighting to let all those racists in against your own country.

    Homophobia is now an accepted description of hostility towards Muslims simply because they are Muslims in just the same way as antisemitism is towards Jews and given the number of people participating in this it is hardly surprising we needed a new term.
     
  4. Martel

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    Islamaphobia? Is that like sharkaphobia or LionsTigersBearsaphobia? I mean, when someone places you on this list

    Najis Things

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    84. * The following ten things are essentially najis:

    Urine
    Faeces
    Semen
    Dead body
    Blood
    Dog
    Pig
    Kafir
    Alcoholic liquors
    The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

    NOTE: KAFIR MEANS NON-MUSLIM.

    I think "phobia" (unreasonable fear) is kind of an oxymoron.


    That's like saying blacks that are afraid of the KKK have a KlueKluxKlanaphobia.
     
  5. Martel

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    YOU MAY NOT BE AT WAR WITH ISLAM, BUT ISLAM IS ETERNALLY AT WAR WITH YOU.

    Islam divides the world into two spheres; the lands of Islam, and the lands of war.

    They are at war with the world and everyone in it.
     
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    Well, so much for your promise that you were leaving. :rolleyes:
     
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    <<<Personal Attack Removed>>> Islam is at war with US.

    The impact of Islam on society, the effects of the growing Muslim population on society, the fact that if demographic trends continue Britain will have 20 million muslims in 16 years. Do you not think we should at least be discussing the implications of that??

    Agree with me on what?

    The vast majority of that is down to members of the Muslim community and left-wingers.
     
  8. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you do have this bad habit of not reading things correctly. I was in fact hoping I would leave for two reasons. Firstly this forum can become addictive and I have other things I really need to do and secondly because I suffer from this affliction called empathy, it was not pleasant turning on my tv and seeing people through the eyes of the racists I have met here. However, I did know that my mind can change, so I deliberately wrote that I was taking a break in order that I could change my mind should I so wish.

    I don't however intend on spending a great deal of time here, as, as I have already said, I have a number of things which require my attention.
     
  9. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL where did you get that one from?

    My interest is not to be involved in silly things designed to promote hate. My interest is in wanting this country to be a decent one for my grand daughter to grow up in.

    For more intelligent debate I would look at things like this.

    http://www.irr.org.uk/2008/may/ha000011.html

    75&#37; of the population of the UK do not agree with you that
    Islamophobia is an appropriate name for the fear and hate mongering that racist do towards Muslims. The intention is to take a few instances and portray them as what all Muslims do in the hope that sufficient people will believe them that the people, in this case Muslims, will become ostracised and possibly eventually take on some of the characteristics that may superficially appear to be like they are accused of doing.

    We do have a real problem and we need to deal together with that. The BNP's approach and other hate filled racist people's approach does nothing to help the situation.

    P15 http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/cm73/7381/7381.pdf


    Now I would like to discuss these issues with Muslim people but intelligent discussion and debate is only possible when there is an atmosphere of trust. When I tried to get this going over the Panorama program you and others came charging in with your usual hate filled rhetoric and made it impossible so I do not believe you wish to have any debate at all.

    Oh wow. The vast majority of antisemitism is down to Muslims. You must have noted that in my first thread on this post I wrote the findings of the report on antisemitism that
    http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../7381/7381.pdf (You will have to find your own page.)

    This is quite simply because it is the same mentality which creates a racist or religionist or whatever they are called. It does not matter who they are hating at the moment. That will just be whoever is the easiest target.

    Now this situation is made worst because of the difficulty between Israel and Palestine and unfortunately some people on either side will because of their passion or hate over this issue take it out on people of the other religion.

    This is the very thing which the BNP is exploiting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party


    It is unfortunate that a few Jewish people are drawn to the BNP which can be seen both by certain journalists and by certain posters on this forum. They would appear to be trying to stir up hatred against Muslims in the hope that this will somehow affect the outcome in the Middle East.

    It is a strange bedfellow for them to take because if they have any wish to believe that the BNP is not antisemitic the are extremely wrong

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/Profile-of-Nick-Griffin.php


    Racism is racism whoever is doing it. With most racists it is a mentality. Even if there was no one to be racist about, they would still find someone or some group of people to hate and to make into outcasts.
     
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    Al Queda has declared war in writing. Islam's own definitions of non Islamic lands are "the lands of war"



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    Logical fallacy-discredit opponents argument by falsely accusing it's motivation





    Again, logical fallacy.




    On the contrary-like Geert Wilders, the intention is to point out the cultural complex of a 7th century warrior cult that menaces civilization.





    I don't agree with all of the BNP's positions on race. I do, however, agree that the levels of immigration currently being sustained by Western nations accross the globe are unsustainable to their societies and that immigration needs to be an orderly affair with the first and foremost concerns the well-being of the host nations citizens and not the needs and desires of the rest of the world.

    Islam has never tempered itself as the other faiths have since the religious wars and the reformation-as such it remains unsuitable and hostile to the west. I note you conveniently ignored my post on Najis things-why is that?


    Because sticking your head in the sand is a way of life for you eh?
     
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    Ah, so that's why you post articles by hard core antisemitic lunatics -- to show your empathy for them. Got it. Of course, that does not deter you from all the self-agrandizing posturing, now, does it?

    Much like your statement that you were going to ignore me unless you decided not to ignore me. Such brilliance.


    unless you decide otherwise, of course.

    The Jihad is all encompasing, yes.
     
  12. Adrian Wainer

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    When I have sought to characterize all Muslims as Wahhabis?

    Best and Warm Regards
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  13. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Why so complicated you easily illustrate what political correctness mean.

    The cases Naile Erdas and Hatan Sürücü illustrate the difference between politically correctness (Germany - case Sürücü) and no political correctness (Turkey - case Naile Erdas).
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    What the hell are you talking about? Do you mean Islamophobia or really Homophobia?? It does not make any sense in that way ...
     
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    The most outrageous infamy in such studies is that muslim migrants has an incredible high potential of antisemitism. I dont know how it is over Germany all together, but in Berlin there exists a study which states that 80% of muslims have antisemitic attitudes.

    There are massive attacks in Berlin in the tubes/subways on jews that are simply being recognized as jews by kippa or something by muslim people (who oftentimes meanwhile have a German passport, although sometimes hating Germany). Especially during the Mid East war.

    To what I am hearing of such developments are even much worse in Antwerpen e.g.
     
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    They hate everyone.
     
  17. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the mods do not recognise what is going on in Western Europe threads, never mind others as gross Islamophobia, then clearly it is in their interest to promote it as well.
     
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    Listen man, I dont whine about your Germanophobia and your anxiety that some people of your country would let us Krauts in to teach the British Islamophobia or enslave them or whatever Germans in your phantasy do.

    So why do you cry for the mods?
     
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    Oh look he's crying to the mods for censorship. Maybe the BBC forums would be more your thing, only 1 view on any issue allowed!!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well clearly that is the way for you as your only ability to reply to to my post is an insult. As with other people. Insults getting as bad as changing what I have said from Islamophobia to Homophobia - though that one was telling of the mind set of people who do such things always working to pervert the truth.

    But hey, if you do not notice my point, you are only telling me about yourself and the influence on your life - the BNP.

    I was referring to both this thread and the "Only a 1/4 of Muslims believe the UK is their country".

    The BNP does not represent the UK and thankfully most people have some decency here so will not fall foul to the likes of your party.

    Your exploitation of an extremely difficult and delicate time to promote your racism is of course if anything damaging to the country, but you are not representative of my country.

    Racists are bullys. People who only reply to posts with insults are bullys. People who change what someone has written are devious bullys and people who cannot even notice a person's sex are blind.
     
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    :bored: :bored: :bored:

    So here everyone can see who perverts the truth:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/1202599-post3.html

    Did you write that ot did you not?


    I would like to notice your points but it would be easier if you write precisely what you mean. You know - according to your prejudices you present here - it does not matter if you write homophobic, islamophobic, antisemitic, xenophobic or whatever cause all this fit to what you learned about Germans in school and from the SUN.

    Listen Alexa, English is not my mother tongue, I told everyone here in my introdcution I am here to keep my abilities in English. Stupid German you know - growing up by learning another language than yours. I am not quite sure in the meanings of every vocabulary that is used or in abbrevation that are used so I sometimes ask, I thought and I still think you made a mistake but I don't know exactly and I am doubtful in another languange. In one point I am absolutely sure, I qouted exactly what you wrote, because I simply used the quote function, ok?

    So instead of admitting a mistake or explaining what you mean you accuse me of falsifying your posting, tell me something about the BNP, a party I hardly heard of (only heard long time ago they had connections to the Ulster Unionists) and arrange everything that way that I fit in your image of a typical German.

    Here in Germany there are a lot of immigrants which male names can also end on "-a", so I am sorry that I changed your sex. If there had been a next time I would have had a couple apellation which fit taking into account your female gender.

    I learned by that discussion that it is better to discuss with other poeple here than trying to discuss with SUN readers the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they are propagating about Germany.
     
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    It is a problem for sure. Personally, I think if continental Europe carries on it love affair with the Islamofascists, Britain and Ireland will need to pull out of the European Union, if the European Union will not adopt a tough line towards Islamofascism within the EU and outside of the EU.

    http://www.libertas.eu/

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqibeUn8mU"]YouTube - Egyptian Cleric Amin Al-Ansari Justifies the Holocaust[/ame]

    Best and Warm Regards
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    Thats interesting, I am no expert, but what I heard from UK sounds to me that things are much worse there. There are several examples, the last I remembered was that Gerd Wilders was declared to a persona non grata and forbidden to travel to the UK.

    Why do you think the situation in UK is better than in continental Europe?
     
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    You shouldn't worry about it.

    Her own abilities at English leave plenty to be desired.
     
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    What she did here was not due to English abilities she could have only looked what she wrote instead of accusing me to falsify her statment.
     

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