Sweden's far-right makes its mark on the political map

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  1. Midnight Express

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    Sweden's far-right makes its mark on the political map

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=swedens-far-right-makes-its-mark-on-the-political-map-2009-11-01



    A small, but rising far-right party is cementing its influence in Sweden with anti-Islamic and xenophobic rhetoric, prompting the Nordic nation’s political elites to vow a fight against party’s political stance. The party may be kingmaker in what is projected to be a narrowly split parliament after the election

    Focus on migration:

    The party, formed in 1988 and which Aakesson has headed since 2005, has in the past few years insisted that its platform is not solely focused on immigration. And Aakesson argues he is not against Islam itself or Muslim immigration.....................
     
  2. Kimaris

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    Wow. That says alot.
     
  3. DutchClogCyborg

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    Quite simple its happening everywhere in Europe, we have let tens of millions of Muslims in, the group heavily depends on welfare, commits crimes way way more often, do not integrate and Islamic ghettos are spawning around mayor city's

    Its not extreme right, its a logical consequence of a failing immigration policy and unability of the Islamic immigrants to integrate and participate in society.

    How come Chinese are wanted and dont get in the news in a negative way. How come we dont hear complaints about Indians, Brazilians, etc. They adapt and participate, keeping their own culture without forcing theirs on us.

    This trend is visible everywhere, the UK with BNP ( to extrme for me) Sweden, Denmark, France the Netherlands etc etc.

    People see their nation changing in a bad way due to immigration and there is a response, this problem would not exist if the current political elite, which is far away from the average joe, would respond properly and fix the problem instead of labeling it racist and block ways to solve problems.
     
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    so what changed the mind of the hospital swedes you think? Tell me,

    And rubbish? You have seen crime, wefllare rates? You have seen French Riots? You have seen the Islamic Ghetto's? Most have by now.
     
  5. Eldedu

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    There has always been crime, somebody has always taken advanatage of welfare, the French have always had riots.

    If you don't like Islamic Ghettos go somewhere ele.
     
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    Left wing solutions send the people who are botherd with it away instead of the criminals.

    There has always been crime, never said all the crime is the fault of immigrants but 4-5x higher is a fact. They also use welfare more often, this is also a fact. The french had riots during strikes for better working conditions, not based out of a false sense of government racism when one of their criminal members kills himself during a policie chase.

    My apologies for not liking no-go islamic ghetto's honestly get a clue.
     
  7. Eldedu

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    I like all these facts, which are apparently made facts simply because you claim them to be. I have here a few little facts of my own.

    5x increase in crime huh?

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    And what's this graph I found? I suppose the U.S. and UK just have more muslim immigrants?

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    So don't come in here and tell me to get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue, when it's obvious you're talking out of your ass.

    And by the way, yes the leftist solution is to simply circumnavigate the tiny problem you keep trying to inflate, but the rightist solution is gas chambers, innit? :puke:
     
  8. DutchClogCyborg

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    Hitler was a socialist and left winger, so i would assume you know more about gas chambers.

    also you linked two graphs without any regard to ethnic groups, which was what i was talking about. both the Uk and the US have a large gang culture. I said the crime was 4-5x higher in those groups, you graphs proved absolutely nothing but i give kuddo's for your effort.

    Ive seen the dutch statistics of CBS, cannot open adobe here so will link later, however it was 4x higher then ethnic dutch and i consider that a lot. Its a lot when a 500.000 people group commit crimes on a scale of 2 million +.

    So what do you think is causing Europeans to turn anti immigrant and anti Muslim, funny how its happening in all european nations with a Islamic minority group.
     
  9. Eldedu

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    What's funny is how fast you went from claiming you were talking about all of Europe to only Holland.
     
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    Im pretty sure statistic will be around the same in other nations. It's not like the Netherlands is the only nation where a failing left wing government had a awfull immigration and integration policy.

    I ask once more, what is causing this shift towards the right according to you.
     
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    There is no shift to the right.

    There is a shift from the right to right extremism. Which is a natural by product of conservatism being an ideology of extremes.

    As for the whole "I'm pretty sure statistics will be around the same in other nations" I just provided graphical evidence that they're not :disbelief:
     
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    You didnt, you showed graphs showing the US and the UK having more crime, does not say anything about Islamic immigrants tough im sure the US has better behaving ones.

    How do two general stats say anything about islamic immigration and their failure to integrate and participate in society.
     
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    I refuse to acknowledge a post criticizing the evidence I have provided when it is written by a poster who has yet to provide evidence disproving mine.
     
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    Your evidence was irrelevant and simply does not mean anything, if that means you don't acknowledge a post then i say ' Big care' since everyone can read it anyway.

    I talked about islamic criminal percentages and wellfare, not income and general crime stats.

    Before i get my proof I ask you

    Are Islamic Immigrants more criminal as a percentage then the original population?

    Are the Islamic Immigrants more welfare Dependant.?

    Are there islamic Ghetto's in Europe.?
     
  15. Eldedu

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    Are Islamic Immigrants poorer than average?
    Does poverty increase crime?
    Does poverty require dependence on welfare?
    Does poverty require people to live in ghettos?
     
  16. DutchClogCyborg

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    Not needed when there is wellfare

    yes since more often they get wellfare which is lower then the average salary. They also in general have lower education due to migrating here for simple jobs, jobs which are now outsourced.

    It does but not speaking a language or attempting to find a job to get generous wellfare also does the trick

    No there plenty of ' white' area's which are very poor, they segregate themselfs. Being poor doesnt make a ghetto' i was raised in a poor area but people were friendly and it was safe to walk on the street during the night.

    People make ghetto's not poverty.
     
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    And poverty makes people.

    Still waiting for a shred of proof.

    By the way, I'm going to send you to Jordan. Within a year I'll expect you and all your family to be fluent in arabic and you to have a regular job which pays bills.
     
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    adorable besides that some who lived in europe for 20 years still do not talk the nations language.

    Poverty does not make people, in Europe there plenty of opportunities. free education, free language courses, wellfare and more. if you still fail despite of that you should go back to north Africa and herd sheep and other cattle instead.

    Plenty of people are poor and are fine people. Indonesians did not had any help and integrated amazingly well, no help just their own determination and willpower. And yes they are muslim's but never make the news because they dont stand out in any negative form.

    Nobody expects people to be ready in 1 years but when its decennia something is wrong.

    but not allowed to say because socialists will scream racism.
     
  19. Eldedu

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    You make new points (can they be called that?) but I say again (for the fourth time) you need to evidence the old ones first.

    Or are you going to avoid it and try to change the subject yet again? :bored:
     
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    ok, and whats your point here?
     
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    I think its a good thing that this party is getting some power, it will provide some balance against all the pro-islamists in the political elite in Sweden.

    Boohoo, I have been dirt poor for several years of my life and yet I never comitted any crimes during that time period.

    People in Sweden on welfare are richer than most of the upper class in 3rd world countries, so saying that them being on welfare gives them an excuse to commit crimes is simply wrong and a copout.
     
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    The first line of your post discredits you.
     
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    Here's Sweden's far right in action...

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    ..and more far right violence in London...

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    ...and Germany....

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    Europe undoubtably has a massive problem with the far right, that's for sure!!!
     
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    Its getting more accepted to vote for right party's now, always voted for a liberal party but thats out of the question now.
     
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    God you're both boring.

    Dino - Pics aren't proof
    Dutch - has no proof
     

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