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Old 08-24-2004, 12:05 PM
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Ooppssssssss! I just realized that you are only 27 years old. Perhaps you don't know who Hubert H. Humphrey was?!?!!? :+)
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Ooppssssssss! I just realized that you are only 27 years old. Perhaps you don't know who Hubert H. Humphrey was?!?!!? :+)
Tex, you need to get over yourself. All I was saying was based on other threads I've read of conservatives that happen to have one or two so-called "leftist" viewpoints, I've noticed that in most cases these people...people like yourself...make a point to also say that they are "no leftist", "no socialist", "no liberal". Why can't you just make your point and discuss. Why does everything have to get so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed personal. We happen to agree on this issue. Can't that be enough? If Stekim really knew what your political stance was, then why did you have to make a point to say you are no leftist...what difference does it make? That is all I was trying to say.

p.s. I do know who Hubert Humphrey is and he is irrelevent to this issue.
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"Get OVER myself"???

What an Arrogant, Pompous Ass, thing to say! And I notice by your response that either you didn't read my post or it went right over your head!
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"Get OVER myself"???

What an Arrogant, Pompous Ass, thing to say! And I notice by your response that either you didn't read my post or it went right over your head!
Ooh did I touch a nerve? I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man.
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Other than another country in his sights to blow up, Bush has another line of coke in his sights to blow, another bottle of JD in his sights to down and all our SS $ in his sights to blow on it. He has hired experts specifically tasked to find subjects and promises that will persuade people in key states to vote for him. Again, this is a politician without a moral compass; he simply uses the manipulation tools at his disposal paid for with our money to fool those who are willing to be fooled. He'd just assume get rid of the vote and be dictator. He would tell you that himself off the record.
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"Get OVER myself"???

What an Arrogant, Pompous Ass, thing to say! And I notice by your response that either you didn't read my post or it went right over your head!
Ooh did I touch a nerve? I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man.
I see you guys are feeling a painful lack of love and kindness in your dialog. We all need respect and kindness like the air we breathe. Words of hate and insults are horribly painful and cruel. The Army used to make us hold hands and sing a duet to each other when ever we got into a spat with a fellow soldier. It helped to lighten the emotional tension and made us laugh at ourselves. I hope you consider this encouragement and enjoy this site rather than harm each other. Having been punched in the face, cussed out, screamed at and shot at, I am not too worried about any negative responses from anyone, i just want you guys to enjoy and learn instead of digressing into insults.
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Old 08-25-2004, 07:33 AM
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"Get OVER myself"???

What an Arrogant, Pompous Ass, thing to say! And I notice by your response that either you didn't read my post or it went right over your head!
Ooh did I touch a nerve? I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man.
No "Nerves" little Feller. Just an all consuming contempt for moronic pomposity and uneducated arrogance. Take some time away from your computer games occasionally and read a book.
And I was right! What I wrote DID go right over your head!!!
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"I see you guys are feeling a painful lack of love and kindness in your dialog."

No "Pain" at all. The little Feller just needs a dose of "Tough Love"! And perhaps, a tad more education. "Reading Comprehension 101" might help.
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"Get OVER myself"???

What an Arrogant, Pompous Ass, thing to say! And I notice by your response that either you didn't read my post or it went right over your head!
Ooh did I touch a nerve? I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man.
No "Nerves" little Feller. Just an all consuming contempt for moronic pomposity and uneducated arrogance. Take some time away from your computer games occasionally and read a book.
And I was right! What I wrote DID go right over your head!!!
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"I see you guys are feeling a painful lack of love and kindness in your dialog."

No "Pain" at all. The little Feller just needs a dose of "Tough Love"! And perhaps, a tad more education. "Reading Comprehension 101" might help.
What exactly is it that you feel went right over my head. Your attempt to turn the discussion around and try to make me the ignorant one instead of yourself? Sorry but this simply is not true. You are obviously proving this point by the comments you make about me. I did not put you into any category...you are the category of which I was speaking of, and there are other people like you that tend to point out loud and clear they are not liberal when posting a liberal message. All I was asking is why you feel the need to do this, and you chose to go on the offensive. Obviously you regret having some liberal views. Don't be ashamed of it, you're only showing human qualities, as opposed to the robotic qualities of neocons. Just so you know, I don't automatically have respect for my elders simply because they are old...you have to earn it. Simply being old does not make you wise old man. Get over yourself.
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The minute you start to feel like your thoughts and statements might be interpretted as "leftist" or "liberal", people like you always have to make a point to say that you are not one, even though you are saying what you are saying. That's about as pointless as a guy saying he agrees that gays should have the right to get married, and then follow it up by saying...by the way...I"m not gay in case you thought I was. That is not relavent to the issue, just as you two making a point to say you are not leftist is irrelavent to this issue.
Tell me MPotter, just what kind of people are "People like me"??? Are you Categorizing people into distinct defined groups in order to chastise me for "categorizing"??? Strange discussion ploy!!

Stekim knew exactly what I was referring to. He knows that I am not one of the radical left fringe who goes around demanding that the government "Take from those who earn and give to the Indolent"! And because I AM Conservative in many of my viewpoints, it should be recognized that I have probably given this subject plenty of "Conservative" thought before stating my conclusions. Conclusions that tend to be more on the left of center than far right.
I'll give you an example of what I mean.
Throughout the 50's and 60's, Richard Nixon was a RABID Anti-Communist. But it was Nixon's secret initiatives to Red China that brought them out of their isolation. Now if that had been attempted by a President with a more LIBERAL reputation toward Communism, it would have been shouted down by the Right wing. But coming from Nixon, the Right assumed his credibility in the matter and accepted it with triumph. Someone like Hubert Humphrey would have been ridden out of town on a rail if he had tried this. But Nixon had credibility with the Majority of our population in his dealings with Communism.
OK. Let's get this harangue back to basics. Above are the two posts that led us to this insult laden impasse. You interjected a personal criticism of me into my discussion with STEKIM. I have highlighted the criticism in red for easy scrutiny. Following that is my response to your criticism. Highlighted in blue is the obvious question that your criticism evoked. You will notice that nowhere in my response did I INSULT you.
Instead, I offered a respectful explanation of why I had phrased my comments to STEKIM in the manner which you were criticizing.

Your immediate response to my explanation was a direct INSULT. And I quote;

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Tex, you need to get over yourself. All I was saying was based on other threads I've read of conservatives that happen to have one or two so-called "leftist" viewpoints, I've noticed that in most cases these people...people like yourself...make a point to also say that they are "no leftist", "no socialist", "no liberal". Why can't you just make your point and discuss. Why does everything have to get so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed personal. We happen to agree on this issue. Can't that be enough? If Stekim really knew what your political stance was, then why did you have to make a point to say you are no leftist...what difference does it make? That is all I was trying to say.

p.s. I do know who Hubert Humphrey is and he is irrelevent to this issue.
I see NOTHING in your reply, in the spirit of "offering your point and discussing it", pertaining to the "Explanation" I gave. Nothing but Ad Hominem.

And then the discourse took the most natural path. That of least resistance, Insult vs. Insult. Neither party bothering to return to substantive discussion.
So if there is any desire to reestablish a productive dialogue, eliminate the insults and respond with a respectful explanation of your distasteful Ad Hominem...."I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man."

Or don't respond at all.
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The minute you start to feel like your thoughts and statements might be interpretted as "leftist" or "liberal", people like you always have to make a point to say that you are not one, even though you are saying what you are saying. That's about as pointless as a guy saying he agrees that gays should have the right to get married, and then follow it up by saying...by the way...I"m not gay in case you thought I was. That is not relavent to the issue, just as you two making a point to say you are not leftist is irrelavent to this issue.
Tell me MPotter, just what kind of people are "People like me"??? Are you Categorizing people into distinct defined groups in order to chastise me for "categorizing"??? Strange discussion ploy!!

Stekim knew exactly what I was referring to. He knows that I am not one of the radical left fringe who goes around demanding that the government "Take from those who earn and give to the Indolent"! And because I AM Conservative in many of my viewpoints, it should be recognized that I have probably given this subject plenty of "Conservative" thought before stating my conclusions. Conclusions that tend to be more on the left of center than far right.
I'll give you an example of what I mean.
Throughout the 50's and 60's, Richard Nixon was a RABID Anti-Communist. But it was Nixon's secret initiatives to Red China that brought them out of their isolation. Now if that had been attempted by a President with a more LIBERAL reputation toward Communism, it would have been shouted down by the Right wing. But coming from Nixon, the Right assumed his credibility in the matter and accepted it with triumph. Someone like Hubert Humphrey would have been ridden out of town on a rail if he had tried this. But Nixon had credibility with the Majority of our population in his dealings with Communism.
OK. Let's get this harangue back to basics. Above are the two posts that led us to this insult laden impasse. You interjected a personal criticism of me into my discussion with STEKIM. I have highlighted the criticism in red for easy scrutiny. Following that is my response to your criticism. Highlighted in blue is the obvious question that your criticism evoked. You will notice that nowhere in my response did I INSULT you.
Instead, I offered a respectful explanation of why I had phrased my comments to STEKIM in the manner which you were criticizing.

Your immediate response to my explanation was a direct INSULT. And I quote;

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Tex, you need to get over yourself. All I was saying was based on other threads I've read of conservatives that happen to have one or two so-called "leftist" viewpoints, I've noticed that in most cases these people...people like yourself...make a point to also say that they are "no leftist", "no socialist", "no liberal". Why can't you just make your point and discuss. Why does everything have to get so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed personal. We happen to agree on this issue. Can't that be enough? If Stekim really knew what your political stance was, then why did you have to make a point to say you are no leftist...what difference does it make? That is all I was trying to say.

p.s. I do know who Hubert Humphrey is and he is irrelevent to this issue.
I see NOTHING in your reply, in the spirit of "offering your point and discussing it", pertaining to the "Explanation" I gave. Nothing but Ad Hominem.

And then the discourse took the most natural path. That of least resistance, Insult vs. Insult. Neither party bothering to return to substantive discussion.
So if there is any desire to reestablish a productive dialogue, eliminate the insults and respond with a respectful explanation of your distasteful Ad Hominem...."I noticed what you wrote, and it is complete nonsense. But what else can you expect from a bitter old man such as yourself. Again I beg you, get over yourself old man."

Or don't respond at all.

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First off...By this statement you imply that because of my age, I don't know who Hubert H. Humphrey is, and thus must also be uninformed of anything before 1977 as I wasn't born yet. This buddy is an insult, and a direct reason for me calling you a bitter old man and to get over yourself. You obviously feel that because you are older, you must be smarter.

Secondly, you never answered my question which was very direct. Why do you feel the need to point out that you are "no leftist" to someone who you claim already knows this about you. Obviously you are scared that someone else might view you this way, and want to make sure that you get that out there to everyone else that you are "no leftist", even though you are making a somewhat "leftist" point in your post. Instead of answering this question you decided to turn it around on me and make it seem as though I was classifying you into some category. While I did point out there are others like yourself who do this very thing, it does not mean I was putting you into a specific category of people. Even if I was, that is not the point. I asked you a very specific question and you decided to avoid answering it for obvious reasons, you have no good answer. The fact that you got so mad for me telling you to "get over yourself" showed to at least me that you are bitter, thus the reason for me adding bitter to "bitter old man", where "old man" in and of itself is truth rather than an insult. But like you said, insults will get us nowhere in discussion. Lets remember that originally we agreed on this topic. Should anything else matter? This is the very reason I pleaded with you to simply state your opinion and allow others to state theirs without also adding in...BTW "I'm no leftist" to protect your image.
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