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1. What is Social Security Choice?
The option of personal retirement accounts would let workers deposit their payroll taxes into personally owned and invested accounts similar to 401(k) plans or IRAs. Currently, workers pay a 12.4 Social Security payroll tax (FICA) on all wages up to $87,900, and Congress sets their retirement benefits. Under reform, workers would be able to deposit that 12.4 percent into their personally owned accounts. Workers and/or their employers would select a company to manage and invest that money. Over time, a worker's account would grow in value, culminating in a substantial nest egg. Once a worker had accumulated sufficient retirement funds, she could purchase a lifetime retirement annuity, which would pay a monthly retirement check.

2. Why does Social Security need reform?
Social Security is going bankrupt. The federal government's largest spending program, accounting for nearly 22 percent of all federal spending, faces irresistible demographic and fiscal pressures that threaten the future retirement security of today's young workers. According to the 2003 report of the Social Security system's Board of Trustees, in 2018, just 14 years from now, the Social Security system will begin to run a deficit. That is, it will begin to spend more on benefits than it brings in through taxes. Anyone who has ever run a business--or balanced a checkbook--understands that when you are spending more than you bring in, something has to give--you need to start either earning more money or spending less to keep things balanced. For Social Security, that means either higher taxes or lower benefits.

But even if Social Security's financial difficulties could be fixed by raising taxes or cutting benefits, the system would still need to be reformed because it is a bad deal for most Americans. Social Security simply costs too much and pays too little. Social Security's rate of return on payroll taxes is dismal (about 2 percent) and declining. Workers deserve a retirement system that will make the most of their money.
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Default While I generally give Bush low marks,

I tip my hat to him if he can make privatization happen. Demographics tell us that the system as it is cannot be sustained. The Democrats never dealt with it, and the Republicans to date haven't had the balls either. Give Bush credit for making it an issue.

Privatization makes good sense. It will help bolster the stock market when baby boomers retire, it will stabilize the markets by sheer volume, and it likely will provide a better return.

Most important, people will be able to own and control their retirement. History tells us that people behave and operate more efficiently when they are in control. USSR communal never produced as well as the small plots alloted to individuals.
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I agree. I would have loved to be able to invest a portion of my SS in some private mutual funds way back when.

When my sister died early.....when she was only 48.....her kids who were over the age of 19 at the time, didn't get any of what she paid in all those years. The government took it! There's something inherently unfair about that.
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If investing SS money is such a great idea, why haven't they been doing it with some or all of it before now?

Also seems strange that Congress has mis-managed this program so badly for ordinary workers, yet their own lavish pension plan has no problems at all, and I've never heard a word about being unable to pay their benefits.

I'm also very uncomfortable about Bush being involved in trying to "solve" this problem, especially considering his track record up to now.
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If investing SS money is such a great idea, why haven't they been doing it with some or all of it before now?
Because they'd rather spend the money themselves. If they let you invest it, then that's less money they can use for their own purposes. They'd rather use it to pay for some new program that will buy points in their political future. If social security were truly a mandatory retirement account system, we wouldn't be hearing about a coming crisis
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If investing SS money is such a great idea, why haven't they been doing it with some or all of it before now?
Because they'd rather spend the money themselves. If they let you invest it, then that's less money they can use for their own purposes. They'd rather use it to pay for some new program that will buy points in their political future. If social security were truly a mandatory retirement account system, we wouldn't be hearing about a coming crisis
... so now this is going to keep Congress from spending money? LOL!

I believe if you look at our current deficit, you'll find that it doesn't matter if money is actually there or not for them to spend it.
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Default Question/Challenge

To all those who believe that Social Security is in "crisis" and must be radically "reformed" with some sort of privatization plan --- please answer the following:

What is Bush's plan..... or rather, what is the current leading proposal for SS "reform" that is most likely to be adopted by the Bush administration? Please describe this plan and its expected costs, benefits and risk. Compare and contrast it to the current SS system.

I'd lay down money that it's not what you think it is or want it to be.
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... so now this is going to keep Congress from spending money? LOL!

I believe if you look at our current deficit, you'll find that it doesn't matter if money is actually there or not for them to spend it.
Nobody said private accounts would keep Congress from spending money, only that it would keep them from spending THAT money.
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We also need to keep in mind that it would be voluntary. Based on what I have read, people would be able to choose the current SS or the new private SS. If something is not done, I doubt I will be collecting SS when I retire, so I am interested in finding out more about the private SS.
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The devil will be in the details but I'd like to see something like this go through. The problem will be paying the transistion costs. Bush has stated no increased taxes but I think he is going to have to give a bit on that. I think the place to start would be increasing the cap on taxable income.
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