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Default Holy Cow! Look what China just did

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/wchina19.xml

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Chinese missile destroys satellite in space

By Toby Harnden and Alex Massie in Washington

The prospect of "Star Wars" between China and the West loomed last night after Beijing used a ballistic missile to destroy a satellite in space.

The missile, which hit a 4ft-wide obsolete Chinese weather satellite 530 miles above the Earth, is thought to have been launched from the Xichang space centre in -China's Sichuan province.

It suggests that the Chinese have developed a major new capability that underscores the communist regime's desire to use its military might as well as burgeoning economic power to expand its influence.

"The US believes China's development and testing of such weapons is inconsistent with the spirit of co-operation that both countries aspire to in the civil space area," said Gordon Johndroe, spokes-man for the US National Security Council, yesterday. "We and other countries have expressed our concern regarding this action to the Chinese."

It is understood that Australia and Canada have also protested to China.

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So this brings up lots of questions:
1. How will this affect the Missile Defense Shield currently under development?
2. Is China still to remain "most favored nation" trading partner?
3. Any ideas how this will affect geo-political economics? (Think about how multi-national companies will fare if billion dollar satellites get shot down. How will they conduct commerce?)
4. Military satellites, and military operations are certainly beginning to understand the "pucker factor" now aren't they?
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This kinda adds some urgency to the whole situation doesn't it?

This "test" comes at the precise moment Bush is launching his "surge" strategy. The Chinese have just sent Bush, and our military, an unmistakable message...

Back off Iran and the Persian Gulf, or else......
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this caught my attention.
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What ever happened to SDI?

Oh I see the Chineese got there first
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What ever happened to SDI?

Oh I see the Chineese got there first
UH this may be new to China but its not to the USA or most of Europe...well its not new at all to anyone really....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon
..for the crib notes.

I'm not postive but I believe we also deploy "killer" satellites....and theres some laser stuff etc thats been talked about/tested/whatnot....





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1. How will this affect the Missile Defense Shield currently under development?
2. Is China still to remain "most favored nation" trading partner?
3. Any ideas how this will affect geo-political economics? (Think about how multi-national companies will fare if billion dollar satellites get shot down. How will they conduct commerce?)
4. Military satellites, and military operations are certainly beginning to understand the "pucker factor" now aren't they?
1. Just reaffirm what was already known highly suspected.
2. Dunno--this won't effect that to any large degree.
3. Shouldn't much at all or anymore then the prospect of a war that would actually entail the likely destruction of such things already does.
4.Its always been a real threat.






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Where does this belief that the USA is the only country that should be able to have weapons come from. Just think about it for a second. If you were China, what would you do.

Well I can tell you the first thing I would want to do is defend myself from the USA. And the best way to do that is to be able to knock out our satellite network.
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What ever happened to SDI?

Oh I see the Chineese got there first
UH this may be new to China but its not to the USA or most of Europe...well its not new at all to anyone really....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon
..for the crib notes.

I'm not postive but I believe we also deploy "killer" satellites....and theres some laser stuff etc thats been talked about/tested/whatnot....





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1. How will this affect the Missile Defense Shield currently under development?
2. Is China still to remain "most favored nation" trading partner?
3. Any ideas how this will affect geo-political economics? (Think about how multi-national companies will fare if billion dollar satellites get shot down. How will they conduct commerce?)
4. Military satellites, and military operations are certainly beginning to understand the "pucker factor" now aren't they?
1. Just reaffirm what was already known highly suspected.
2. Dunno--this won't effect that to any large degree.
3. Shouldn't much at all or anymore then the prospect of a war that would actually entail the likely destruction of such things already does.
4.Its always been a real threat.






goldendog simply lives in an alternate dimension or something......

Yes you are correct - I didn't read the original link properly - I thought the missile was fired from space and not from earth as it was.

I don't think China is sending any specific message other than their technology is improving and nothing to do with Iran etc ...
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When Dubya got elected in 2000, the United States made the decision to pursue a program of the weaponisation of space, to our benefit. America withdrew from both the Space Treaty and an ABM Treaty in order to pursue both a missle defence shield and satellite military platforms. Is it so surprising that this threatened dominance of Earth's orbital space has provoked a response by another major power?

Reverse the argument. Suppose it had been China that had abrograted those treaties and was working on a system that would allow them to strike with nuclear missles while being able to stop most of the counter-strike from the United States. Don't you think we would have been loud in our condemnation and quick to develop or expand satellite-killing missles and/or satellites?

I don't think the timing has anything to do with the Iranian situation at all. It was just time to try the missle out (it's called testing). While this is not good news for the United States, it should hardly be unexpected or something to panic over (apart from whomever runs the ABM Defence program).
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I don't think China is sending any specific message other than their technology is improving and nothing to do with Iran etc ...
If everything that everyone else does is received as some sort of 'threat' directed towards you, then I would suggest taking a closer look at you....rather than them.

And who is gonna stop 'em, anyway?
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Default Reagan's strategy?

Are the Chinese using Reagan's strategy against us?

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Changing relations with the United States due to the election of Ronald Reagan in 1981 and his immediate declaration that the Soviets were "An Evil Empire" started a western world policy of an enhanced and updated military build-up and threat to develop a Strategic Defense Initiative (also known as "Star Wars") the Soviets would never be able to compete with financially.
With the the amount of money China has and the US debt because of the Iraq war, could the Chinese put us in dire straits financially?
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