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You say that due to the existence of gay couples that would be better parents than some straight couples, we should allow all gay people to become parents. You make a conclusion based upon comparing the good within one group to the bad within another, when you should more precisely compare good to good, or perfect to perfect, or even bad against bad or worst to worst. Your comparisons need to translate evenly. The cliché is "comparing apples and oranges" and that construct leads to an illogical conclusion. However, you may be right that gay parents are fine and not detrimental, but I believe that you need to be more precise in your analysis and consideration of the evidence. Quote:
You then reduce my argument to the idea that teasing isn't the ruler of opinion, but I have recently learned that this is an example of a straw man argument. My argument considered the long-term effects of single parent childhood, not schoolyard behavior. Quote:
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It is dangerous to allow stereotypes and generalities to trump individual circumstances. I would expect you, a libertarian, to understand that.
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It is true that we should consider individual circumstances when making decisions, but policymaking affects everybody, so we also must consider the general plane. It is true that I am a Libertarian, but I am more conservative when it comes to issues that affect children. Sure, I might be wrong that children will do not as well with same-sexed parents. I am not a Libertarian idealogue. Am a Libertarian based on the fact that I agree with almost everything that Libertarians believe when looking at all the issues seperately. In fact, part of my Libertarianism is recognizing that legalizing same-sex parenting and marriage involves the passage of new laws, and I am against the enaction of new laws before the Legislature throws out old laws that suck, and the dissolution of old, non-working fingers of the government. I want what is good for society, whatever the politics of it. I am Libertarian because I think that libertarianism will do the most good for society, not because I am following any movement or "master."
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My enduring personal, original quote: Many mistake what should rightly be called "passivism" for pacifism. Pacifism and passivism are COMPLETELY different. ----------------- Ronald Reagan was not the only one to suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. America did, too. ----------------- "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." --President George W. Bush. ----------------- ----------------- Los Angeles voters=dumber than rocks. |
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The problem is that no one can come up with anything specific that a male father can teach that a female with "masculine" qualities cannot. And whenever they do I can think of at least a few examples where it doesn't hold true- usually all it takes is my wife and I.
My wife is an engineer and an extreme left-brain dominant introvert. She has feminine qualities also. I tend to be social, nurturing, and other traits considered "motherly". Have masculine characteristics as well... But the end result is that if we had a child... I'd act as traditional "mother" and she'd act as traditional "father". It's not an exact match because theoretically we have all bases covered in case something is inherent to male or female... but it certainly kills a lot of traditional gender role ideas. And I can't think of anything specific my inherent maleness or her inherent femaleness would do to a child. The only semi-concrete thing people can come up with is "confusion" which is really an alarmist way of saying "the kids feel different from other kids". This is already faced by a myriad of other kids... and when it comes down to it, it is "less than ideal" rather than anything fatalistic or dangerous. Frankly I think I've seen more harm done by parents who overreact to "less than ideal" circumstances than the circumstances themselves. I was a child of divorce, but I turned out fine. My parents minimalized the impact by being responsible in their choice. It stands to reason that gay parents can minimalize impact, as do most parents with a stigma attached. The introduction of new laws you speak of... Superficially it is an introduction of laws... but realistically it is a removal of restrictions.
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