The United States is the power pulling the strings in the Iraqi government now. Iraq is another unending war, just like Vietnam.

We have lost in Iraq, just as we lost Vietnam. We need to get out now.

LOST?!? LOST?!?!

Show me an enemy the United States military forces cannot defeat in Iraq. Show me why we cannot win, for we won long ago. Show me why it cannot end, it seems over to me.

We will probably never resolve the issue of who is actually controlling the Iraqi government, but their elections were reviewed by the international community.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

We lost. Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" because he believed, (as you do) that Iraq was all about our military forces suppressing Saddam's government. It was SUPPOSED to be about ending terrorism. The war in Iraq was intended to be the war on terror. All Iraq has done is make terrorism ten times worse. The Iraqi occupation has promoted increased terrorism.

We never planned for the occupation. We lost in Iraq the minute we didn't consider protecting their antiquities, their culture and their people. We lost because we have not restored power, water and sanitation, nor employment in Iraq.

This war cannot end because it was failed from the beginning, by going in on a lie, it is failed in the middle, by failing the occupation, and it will fail in the end (if it ever ends) because we will NEVER get out of Iraq.

We have ruined our chances for having allies in the Middle East by eight years of Bush's disasterous polices.

"When future historians look back at the sharp decline of the United States in the early 21st Century, they might identify the Achilles heel of this seemingly omnipotent nation as its lost ability to recognize reality and to fashion policies to face the real world."

Robert Parry

We did go in on a lie, and we should not have gone in at all. But now that we have toppled their government and brought instability (and yes, more terrorism) we have to stay until it is safe for the people. I don't see how we have failed in the occupation; the surge has worked wonderfully. We will eventually leave Iraq, but I agree with McCain when he says that we will probably have bases and some military forces in Iraq for (possibly) 100 years. It won't be a big deal then because the violence will have all but disappeared completely.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

There is no such thing a "Geneva conventions against torture"

Shows what you know!

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Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

We have failed in the occupation. Five years of occupation has done nothing more than humiliate the US armed forces. The Iraqi's don't want us there. We are the cause of the instability in their country and our presence insures that there will be continued terrorism.

We have failed the war in Iraq and we have failed the occupation. We have not secured saftey for the Iraqi people, restored the infrastructure--including power, water and sanitation, or helped revive the economy.

The surge--meant to be temporary--has turned into somethign that is long and crude.

Bush's administration has done nothing but cause the problem and now it manages the defeat.

If you want more of Bush--vote for McCain. Sounds like that's your plan. IMO this is the main reason McCain will be defeated. We don't need a war president--we need a peace president. We need someone with diplomacy skills. Obama will be that President.

They might not want us there, but they definitely don't want us to leave. They have recognized that we are there only hope in the short term for peace and stability.

The goal of the war was to unseat Saddam and make sure they did not have WMD. In that, we have succeeded. The other goals you have listed here are secondary and in progress.

If by long and crude you mean effective at restoring peace and stability, then yes.

The goal of the war was to unseat Saddam and make sure that there were no WMD there. In this, we have succeeded, even if the reasons were not good.

A vote for McCain is a vote against Obama. There is no Bush-like candidate or anyone better than Bush, or I would vote for them. And when Obama says that he will pull out of Iraq, he doesn't really mean it. This is obvious if you have read his responses to questions on Iraq or if you have read his plan for change. He will stay there as long as McCain would.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

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http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

my reference to serving haggis to osama bin forgotten being a geneva convention violation was a lame attempt at humor. you did not indulge me that so here is my reply to your lame attempt to debate

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[Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]

first of all we've already won the WAR. remember bush, on the ship, with the jets, and the big mission accomplished flag? yeah. i thought so. this is now a 'police action' , which is war-like, only nicer and with much less iraqi killing. THAT is what we're bad at and thats what we failed at in Vietnam. Of course we could crush them. If we were really trying Osama would be dead by now... but we have many foolish, though well intented im sure, liberals who refuse to support our troops and give them adequate equipment. Also these same people keep crying for a 'humane war'. Which is a huge oxy-moron. However i digress, the main reason we're "losing" as some mistakenly put it, is because those same people force us to fight with our hands tied.