Gosh I hate that argument. Yeah, Bush is mad cause they tried to kill his dad. Do you suppose he's mad at terrorists because they tried to kill him? Remember, the plane that hit the Pentagon was meant for the Oval Office. They are our ENEMIES. You think Saddam was only interested in killing George H. W. Bush?

Bush invaded Iraq because Bush could get the political will of the country to back him. Had Clinton been able to do that, we would have gone in. You think Al Gore could have invaded Iraq even if he had wanted to? Worse yet, the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder, and we might even be talking about impeachment. We have sermon after sermon from Rush, and Hannity, and O'Reilly, and Savage, and that wonderfully opened mined Ann Coulter about how terrible Gore is.

Yep, the rest of the world would like us better, but does the world not liking us do anything other than annoy lefties? I mean, what have we lost? Oh no, some French dude is ranting about how terrible we are right now somewhere in Paris. Guess what? It doesn't matter. Rich people could care less, except for rich French, Russian, and German folks who, say, stood to gain financially from Saddam staying in power.

Yep. We're an empire. This is what empires do. We protect ourselves.

Gore would be doomed right now, and going down in a landslide. He would have been challenged for renomination, and may even have lost. Then what? Another three terms of Republicans? Anyone remember Walter Mondale trying to argue that we should go back to the Jimmy Carter years? Yeah, I would have agreed with Al Gore's policies, but I'd have to pay for it later. Now, we have a chance at a good Democrat becoming President, and I think we're looking at 8 to 12 years of Democrats in the White House.

Sorry, Bush fans.

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if Gore was elected these things would happen, remember Gore was more for the "lets work together guys" peace than Clinton was...

we would still have 9/11
there wouldn't be such a thing as "war on terrorism"
we would not have had attacked any country... maybe we would have dropped a few cherry bombs on bin ladens house...
there would not be nearly as tight security as it is right now so the shoe bomber and other attacks would probably have succeeded.
north Korea would still be getting funds from us for there nuclear weapons program.
our military would have been cut in half at least, by now.
our heath care would not be as good because Gore would have passed any bill to socials heath care.
we would not have Saddam and more than 60,000 children would be dead.

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This is so true, Grizzly and I may not have agreed in his earlier post but in this one we indeed do. I have seen many "what if" discussions on WWII instance and many other subjects, actually there are many games and movies based on a "what is" assumption. Check this out for an "what if " movie http://www.mediacircus.net/fatherland.html

The historical declines of many of the greatest nations the world has seen has been generally marked by weak leadership, internal rot, and failure to defend borders as common denominators.

I didn't vote for Bush, but I think he came at the right time. Gore would've furthered Clintonism and taken the road of diplomacy instead of war. Our nation has been under attack for years by a declared enemy, so I'm satisfied that W came out swinging. If the rest of the world wants to see America go down, at least we're not going to go down without a fight.

Most amusing, if neither of the Bush guys would have been elected, Saddam would not have come to power, Kuwait would not have been invaded. We would not have ended up in Saudi Arabia, 9/11 would not have happened and so many deaths would have been avoided.

Moral of the story: Stay out of other peoples business.

Obviously, blaming Bush I is silly. He did not know nor was he responsible for what happened. The U.S. was trying to outmaneuver the Soviets. However, the less still stands. We should not be in Iraq. But we just keep jumping in the middle of other countries politics -- then wondering why they get pissed off.

I do like your analogy thought: Dubya comes out swinging… no think involved.

Maybe this is a time for a Homer Simpson DUH!!!!!

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Excuse me? Saddam wouldn't have come to power? Didn't he come to power back in'79 after assassinating his friend the (via coup) president I haven't heard of any accusations of CIA/Bush involvement in that one. I have heard the reinterpretation of what was said to the Iraqi's prior to their invasion of Kuwait- the fact is they had a border issue and the ambassador told the Iraqi's that the US took no position in the matter. I have heard many analysts state that they thought that Saddam would try and put some pressure on the Kuwaiti's in order to extort some kind of settlement out of them- not that he intended to take the whole country.Think about it- had Hussein simply taken just a portion of Kuwait and not been so greedy he might have been able to get away with it. If only EVERYBODY stayed out of EVERYBODY else's business the world might be a better place.But ever since the cave man became suspicious of those people over the next hill war has been a reality

Geez. I wished you guys would stop using so much bandwidth!

in the most indrect sort of way i touched on this topic in this article:
http://www.commonamerica.org/sop911.php

I honestly think it wouldn't have mattered one way or another.

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