US supports terrorist group in Pakistan and Iran

Questerr · #1 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 08:56 AM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...ws_exclus.html

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ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
April 03, 2007 5:25 PM

Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

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U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.

Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

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Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.

The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.

Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.

Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.

They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.

The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.

A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.

Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.

A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.

It's a good thing that we don't really compromise our integrity for our own interests...

Sadistic-Savior · #2 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 09:32 AM

Could you please highlight the part of the article that says that these fighters deliberately target civilians? I missed it.

If they dont, then I dont see how you can call them terrorists. Simply fighting against an oppressive government doesnt make you a terrorist. Using guerrilla tactics doesnt necessarily make you a terrorist.

From what I can see, they are attacking an oppressive government, not innocent civilians.

ashleykennedy · #3 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 10:19 AM

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Could you please highlight the part of the article that says that these fighters deliberately target civilians? I missed it.

If they dont, then I dont see how you can call them terrorists. Simply fighting against an oppressive government doesnt make you a terrorist. Using guerrilla tactics doesnt necessarily make you a terrorist.

From what I can see, they are attacking an oppressive government, not innocent civilians.

So deliberately targeting US and Coalition troops is not Terrorism?

What do you call it?

Sadistic-Savior · #4 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 10:26 AM

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So deliberately targeting US and Coalition troops is not Terrorism?

No.

Random attacks against civilains is what terrorism is. Because the point of terrorism is to spread terror. The random nature of the attacks is what accomplishes that.

Terrorists can be distinguished because they deliberately target civilians. If and when this group does this (or if I see evidence that they are doing it now), I would be happy to label them terrorists. The evidence presented so far is insufficient for me to apply that label to them however.

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What do you call it?

War, using guerrilla tactics. That is what I would call it.

ashleykennedy · #5 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 10:30 AM

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So deliberately targeting US and Coalition troops is not Terrorism?

No.

Random attacks against civilains is what terrorism is. Because the point of terrorism is to spread terror. The random nature of the attacks is what accomplishes that.

Terrorists can be distinguished because they deliberately target civilians. If and when this group does this (or if I see evidence that they are doing it now), I would be happy to label them terrorists. The evidence presented so far is insufficient for me to apply that label to them however.

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What do you call it?

War, using guerrilla tactics. That is what I would call it.

So it is not "Mission Accomplished." The war continues in Iraq, Bush lied.

Sadistic-Savior · #6 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 11:04 AM

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So it is not "Mission Accomplished."

Depends on which mission. You do know there is more than one, right?

The mission to remove Saddam is accomplished, yes. He is dead and his government no longer exists.

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The war continues in Iraq, Bush lied.

What did he lie about? Please provide the quote where he lied.

Not that any of this has anything to do with this thread...why so quick to change the subject? heh heh

ashleykennedy · #7 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 11:46 AM

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Depends on which mission.

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The mission to remove Saddam is accomplished, yes. He is dead and his government no longer exists.

No No, that was not a mission WMD's was the cause cellebre for the mission.

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What did he [Bush] lie about?

WMD's or had you forgotten? About how dangerous to the US Iraq was. About all the Terrorists in Iraq.

You ask questions I only supplied answers. heh heh.

But as to Bush:-

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During the speech, Bush said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on."

It looks as though the US because of the war in Iraq has made terrorism more prevalent in the world so there is another lie. His little Mission Accomplished speech was about terrorism which fits within the frame work of the Thread. Tee Hee.

PS. Bush never said Mission Accomplished it was a Banner in shot that the whitehouse made to go with his One Win speech. The papers then used the Banner as the Head Lines.

TED-THE-DRUNK · #8 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 12:12 PM

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Depends on which mission.

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The mission to remove Saddam is accomplished, yes. He is dead and his government no longer exists.

No No, that was not a mission WMD's was the cause cellebre for the mission.

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What did he [Bush] lie about?

WMD's or had you forgotten? About how dangerous to the US Iraq was. About all the Terrorists in Iraq.

You ask questions I only supplied answers. heh heh.

But as to Bush:-

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During the speech, Bush said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on."

It looks as though the US because of the war in Iraq has made terrorism more prevalent in the world so there is another lie. His little Mission Accomplished speech was about terrorism which fits within the frame work of the Thread. Tee Hee.

PS. Bush never said Mission Accomplished it was a Banner in shot that the whitehouse made to go with his One Win speech. The papers then used the Banner as the Head Lines.

..swoosh!..2 points!

JP5 · #9 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 12:26 PM

Oh yes....."our own interests" of trying to stop the flow of Iran's weapons and personnel into Iraq, protecting Iraqi's and our own soldeirs, is really, really bad, eh?

Sadistic-Savior · #10 (**permalink**) 04-04-2007, 12:57 PM

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No No, that was not a mission WMD's was the cause cellebre for the mission.

Verifying that he did not have WMDs and was not trying to get them was another mission. That was also accomplished.

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Me: What did he [Bush] lie about?

WMD's or had you forgotten?

So where is the quote? We will need to see what Bush said before we can determine if he lied. Right?

Or are you saying he is guilty of lying by default?

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About how dangerous to the US Iraq was. About all the Terrorists in Iraq.

Can you be a little more vague?

You are the one saying that he lied. I am unwilling to simply take your word for it. So please produce the quotes where you believe he said something he knew was not true.

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During the speech, Bush said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on."

It looks as though the US because of the war in Iraq has made terrorism more prevalent in the world so there is another lie

The quote is correct. The battle in Iraq was a victory in the war on terror that began on Sept 11 2001. So it is not an example of a lie.

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His little Mission Accomplished speech was about terrorism

Quote please.