Thread: Wikileaks: Latest US Death Squad Operations Manual

Originally Posted by dixon76710

And even if it was from 2003, that makes your historical accounting of the 80s even more irrelevant.

What do you mean and if even? It is from 2003,it states at the top of the page what they are talking about. It says the 2003 manual. You were wrong,just except it. I do not think America training and arming deaths squads is irrelevant,you might but then you support everything they do.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

What do you mean and if even? It is from 2003,it states at the top of the page what they are talking about. It says the 2003 manual. You were wrong,just except it. I do not think America training and arming deaths squads is irrelevant,you might but then you support everything they do.

Noooo, it was simply more widely distributed in 2003. You still havent even taken a moment to click on the link to the manual. Trapped in your wikileaks summary.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Noooo, it was simply more widely distributed in 2003. You still havent even taken a moment to click on the link to the manual. Trapped in your wikileaks summary.

Noooo they are talking about the 2003 version. Get a grown up to help you read what it states on the very top of the page.

Here you are. 2003.

The Third Man, et al,

You must know that what is on the WikiLeaks Page is not a true representation of a US Army Field Manual, let alone the one it depicts. Oh hell, they didn't even get the Manual Number format correct.

The Field Manual contains much more information in it than is depicted in WikiLeaks. It is a full Manual. It too is formatted differently.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Here you are. 2003.

(COMMENT)

But, let us get down to Brass Tacks. You are making a claim.

• What exactly is the claim you are making?
  
• Other than the WikiLeaks Document, what law (US of International) do you claim is violated?
  
• What are the elements of the offense?

Whatever the allegations are (that you are preferring), let's break them down and examine them, one by one. You are in the lead.

Please be clear and distinct. I don't want to be confused.

Let's be objective and not cloud it with political rhetoric.

Most Respectfully,
R

Originally Posted by RoccoR

The Third Man, et al,


R

I believe I have made my points perfectly clear in the posts already made and I cannot see any point repeating them. I suggest you go back and read through them if you need to see where I stand. Thanks.

The Third Man, et al,

Yes, let's examine that!

NOTE: Our friend "HORHEY" makes a couple of good points. But I'm still trying to figure out if his position is opposing US Policy on a political basis; or if "HORHEY" is just generally opposed to the utilization of the military in these cases. He is all over the map in his rant; and I'm waiting for him to land - and calmly discuss his objections.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I believe I have made my points perfectly clear in the posts already made and I cannot see any point repeating them. I suggest you go back and read through them if you need to see where I stand. Thanks.

(ALLEGATIONS)

Yes, I've read every single post, made by everyone. I can understand the inferences made by the exuberant "HORHEY." I've seen this many times in anti-War demonstrators and those opposed to US Foreign Policy. But you (The Third Man) have "seemed" to have made a very specific claim and allegation. And I want to make sure that I'm not mistaken; with your help.

• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  The Americans train death squads,have done it for years and years... ... ...
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ... Anyone worth their salt in the subject of history knows what the Americans got up to in Latin America and other parts of the world. It seems that it is you who needs to do some research.
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ... The only people who would not believe that the US Special Forces are murdering scum are other members of the military and their family and friends. who are probably in the military as well. ... ... ...
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ...I will claim that US forces have trained death squads because they have. There is an avalanche of evidence to back that up.
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ...The US certainly did train people as death squads,they also trained people to torture and were complicit in torture as well in Latin America. ... ... ...
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ... "The U.S. government ... helped to establish, train and equip Battalion 3-16, military unit which was responsible for the kidnapping, torture, disappearance and murder of at least 184 Honduran students, professors, journalists, human rights activists and others in the 1980s."
• Originally Posted by The Third Man

  ... ... ... I do not think America training and arming deaths squads is irrelevant, you might but then you support everything they do.

(QUESTION)

Does this accurately represent your allegation? It seems to be centered on the creation, training, equipping, and utilization (to include Command & Control) of "the" --- "Death Squad." I just want to make sure I have this right before I jump in. I don't generally engage on a route basis. But I think I'm going to make a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

Originally Posted by RoccoR

Does this accurately represent your allegation? It seems to be centered on the creation, training, equipping, and utilization (to include Command & Control) of "the" --- "Death Squad." I just want to make sure I have this right before I jump in. I don't generally engage on a route basis. But I think I'm going to make a point here.

Most Respectfully,
R

Pretty much sums it up. Please do jump in anytime you want. Cheers.

Originally Posted by RoccoR

The Third Man, et al,

Yes, let's examine that!

NOTE: Our friend "HORHEY" makes a couple of good points. But I'm still trying to figure out if his position is opposing US Policy on a political basis; or if "HORHEY" is just generally opposed to the utilization of the military in these cases. He is all over the map in his rant; and I'm waiting for him to land - and calmly discuss his objections.

It's kinda like when a pedefile gets out of prison and moves into your nieghborhood. You know what he wants. You know what he's gonna eventually try to do because he's sick. The United States has been doing the same thing since 1948. I know what the true "purpose of American power" is so that's the lens I see these things in. This is not unique to the US. Any country that becomes as powerful as the US will naturally become an imperial superpower. That is the way of things. The best thing we can do is be aware of it and try to limit it's reach. Washington cant get away with much of what it used to be able to do, so that's progress.

The Third Man, et al,

(PREFACE)

We are talking about the US Army Special Forces (SF). Who are they?

"The Third Man" calls them "murdering scum." I call them US Army Soldiers who have been trained US Army JFK Special Warfare Center and School (USAJFKSWCS); organized and equipped to conduct Special Operations (SO) with an emphasis on Unconventional Operations (UO), as a subset of SO.

Whether in peace time or in war, the SF belong to the US Ambassador to the country in which they are deployed. They operate under the Ambassador's guidance and authority. In turn, the US Ambassador is the President's personal representative in that foreign country and leads the entire Embassy complement; called the Country Team (everyone, every agency represented, including the SF). It is actually one of the shortest chains-of-command. Every action, mission and operation undertaken by an SF unit is under the closest scrutiny at the highest levels. A deployed SF unit is a direct extension in the implementation of US Foreign Policy, and directly reflects on the civilian leadership in every aspect of their mission.

I take grave exception to the SF being referred to as "murdering scum." It is a totally unwarranted and the most grievous of the fallacious claims made. In addition, it implies (by extension) the complicity of the US Diplomatic Corps, the National Security Council and the Presidential Administration which bare the responsibility for SF and their activities. How dare you slander any organization for which you are not remotely qualified to stand on the same ground with - and face the perils and dangers they face daily in the service of our nation. They answer the nations call to duty.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Originally Posted by RoccoR

(QUESTION)

Does this accurately represent your allegation? It seems to be centered on the creation, training, equipping, and utilization (to include Command & Control) of "the" --- "Death Squad." I just want to make sure I have this right before I jump in. I don't generally engage on a route basis. But I think I'm going to make a point here.

Pretty much sums it up. Please do jump in anytime you want. Cheers.

(Fallacy: Ad Hominem)

Having said that, I will open later on the issue of SF and foreign military interface.

Most Respectfully,
R