Thread: Wikileaks: Latest US Death Squad Operations Manual

Originally Posted by Horhey

Ok, so you refuse to address what Ive been showing you. Why? Now who's seeing what they want to see? Nevermind. Im gonna go play Skyrim.

Because what you post over and over and over again has nothing to do with the topic that you yourself originally posted. That is why I ignore it.

If you want to talk about a military manual and what it means, we can talk about that. If you want to drag in decades old affairs of a totally different country, then I consider that off topic and ignore it.

If you want to talk about El Salvador, then make a thread about it and talk to your heart's content. If you want to talk about a military manual, then let's talk about it.

And as usual, the reams of data and facts you spew out have not a single thing to do with the topic at hand. And as long as you continue to spew them out, I will continue to ignore them.

Originally Posted by Horhey

Just go back and review what Ive already been showing. That's why I dont post here much anymore. You can make a case and nobody sees it so I might as well be sitting here jerkin my dick.

The reason you rarely post is that 90% of the time, we simply ignore your posts.

This one I thought I would respond to because instead of your usual soapbox posturing and simply quoting verbatim what other people say, you actually posted claiming something that was so badly out of context (and was easily proven if you simply RTFM), that I thought I would put in a few words.

And as usual, you ignore what is said, ignore to even read the manual, and go so badly off track that it reminds me once again why myself and almost everybody else ignores your posts.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

The reason you rarely post is that 90% of the time, we simply ignore your posts.

This one I thought I would respond to because instead of your usual soapbox posturing and simply quoting verbatim what other people say, you actually posted claiming something that was so badly out of context (and was easily proven if you simply RTFM), that I thought I would put in a few words.

And as usual, you ignore what is said, ignore to even read the manual, and go so badly off track that it reminds me once again why myself and almost everybody else ignores your posts.

Oh come on. You know that you only go silent about what I post when you cant think of a way to challenge it. Ive been amazed at how ridiculous some of your counter arguments have been but even you have your limits. You'll say anything as long as you believe some dumb ass out there will buy it.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

I did. I even quoted what you showed.

Again. I cannot objectively think of any justification for these measures in any country:

censorship, and press control; and restriction of activity that applies to selected groups (labor unions, political groups and the like) are further PRC measures.

Hey but Im open minded. If you can come up with a credible justification for this I will concede my argument. We were invaded by the British and Washington did not suspend the constitution.

Originally Posted by Horhey

Again. I cannot objectively think of any justification for these measures in any country:

Hey but Im open minded. If you can come up with a credible justification for this I will concede my argument. We were invaded by the British and Washington did not suspend the constitution.

Revealing how you avoid the only statements I did comment upon, to focus upon the statements to which I made no comment.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Revealing how you avoid the only statements I did comment upon, to focus upon the statements to which I made no comment.

Even the worst monsters convince themselves that they are doing wonderful things while they butchered millions of people. Like how in internal documents, the Japanese fascists said they were liberating the population in China, feeding the hungry, treating the sick, and trying to create an overall better life for them while they murdered tens of thousands of people. The Soviet Union said the same thing about Afghanistan and Eastern Europe. But that's how they rationalized it. Very few evil people think of themselves as evil.

There. I addressed your comments on that part of the manual now please attempt to justify the section I just pointed out that contradicts what you highlighted.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Revealing how you avoid the only statements I did comment upon, to focus upon the statements to which I made no comment.

Nevermind that tiny part I pointed out. Try to justify the entire section.

Control Measures

SF [US Special Forces] can advise and assist HN [Host Nation] forces in developing and implementing control measures. Among these measures are the following:

Security Forces. Police and other security forces use PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures to deprive the insurgent of support and to identify and locate members of his infrastructure. Appropriate PSYOP [Psychological Operations] help make these measures more acceptable to the population by explaining their need. The government informs the population that the PRC measures may cause an inconvenience but are necessary due to the actions of the insurgents.

Restrictions. Rights on the legality of detention or imprisonment of personnel (for example, habeas corpus) may be temporarily suspended. This measure must be taken as a last resort, since it may provide the insurgents with an effective propaganda theme.

PRC [Population & Resources Control] measures can also include curfews or blackouts, travel restrictions, and restricted residential areas such as protected villages or resettlement areas. Registration and pass systems and control of sensitive items (resources control) and critical supplies such as weapons, food, and fuel are other PRC measures. Checkpoints, searches, roadblocks; surveillance, censorship, and press control; and restriction of activity that applies to selected groups (labor unions, political groups and the like) are further PRC measures.

Legal Considerations. All restrictions, controls, and DA measures must be governed by the legality of these methods and their impact on the populace. In countries where government authorities do not have wide latitude in controlling the population, special or emergency legislation must be enacted. This emergency legislation may include a form of martial law permitting government forces to search without warrant, to detain without bringing formal charges, and to execute other similar actions.

Originally Posted by Horhey

Nevermind that tiny part I pointed out. Try to justify the entire section.

Well, if you have Al Qaeda or Taliban insurgents, running around your country, blowing up civilians, drastic measures are called for. The continued death of your civilians isnt an acceptable option.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Well, if you have Al Qaeda or Taliban insurgents, running around your country, blowing up civilians, drastic measures are called for. The continued death of your civilians isnt an acceptable option.

It does not good, Horhey lives in fantasyland.

I guess he thinks martial law is a bad and evil thing, that is Unconstitutional and should never be done.

I agree Mr. Horhey on all of the points that you have posted. In all actuality, the United States Federal/Central government is a hostile actor and when nations develop an "anti-American" posture, most in this country willfully overlook the actions of this nation's political actors. I personally believe that those who overlook said actions agree with them bein g that they ahve a sociopathic, borderline psychopathic outlook in regards to them being "the shining light and beacon of freedom.