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He's already said he doesnt care. Not our problem. nonsqtr is an amoralist. He doesnt like morality.
I think maybe it would be more accurate to say he's a moral relativist. Each situation is different. Morality isn't standard, it changes with each situation. He gets to decide as it suits him.

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When did I say differently?
Your "So we are working to defeat an enemy that we ourselves created"

maybe you meant to say

"So we are working to defeat an enermy that already existed"?
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Not at all. Terrorists existed. Hell, they always have. But an organized "al Qaeda in Iraq" didn't. Until we got there.

I meant to say exactly what I said. You just took that to mean I supported withdrawl or some such thing. Which I don't. If you toss food on the floor and throw your doors open I think killing the rats who come in is a good idea. The best plan of action changes after you screw up.
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Not at all. Terrorists existed. Hell, they always have. But an organized "al Qaeda in Iraq" didn't. Until we got there.

I meant to say exactly what I said. You just took that to mean I supported withdrawl or some such thing. Which I don't. If you toss food on the floor and throw your doors open I think killing the rats who come in is a good idea. The best plan of action changes after you screw up.
So its just a re-branding exercise - with George W acting as the pied piper of Hamlin.

Now these "Hamlin" rats are collected in one place they are easy to kill brilliant!!!!


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So its just a re-branding exercise - with George W acting as the pied piper of Hamlin.

Now these "Hamlin" rats are collected in one place they are easy to kill brilliant!!!!
The problem is, no matter how many rats you kill there are always more rats. Which is why we're still there after so many years.

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It means I thought the surge was the best course of action at the time given the fact we already royally screwed things up. We broke Iraq and hence we need to fix it. That doesn't change the fact we never should have broken it to begin with.
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The problem is, no matter how many rats you kill there are always more rats. Which is why we're still there after so many years.



It means I thought the surge was the best course of action at the time given the fact we already royally screwed things up. We broke Iraq and hence we need to fix it. That doesn't change the fact we never should have broken it to begin with.

Argh but the title of this thread is 75% reduced in Iraq - so 3 in 4 rats are now dead and no/few new rats are willing to replace them.

But I agree the whole Iraq situation could have been handled better - I think the Iraqi Army and Police should have not been disbanded initially, a bit like after WWII in the far east the Japaneese troops were kept on to keep the peace before a better sitation could be put in place.
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Not only should it have been handled better, but we shouldn't have invaded in the first place.
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I think maybe it would be more accurate to say he's a moral relativist.
From what I have seen of his posts, that label would be inaccurate. He believes that morals have NO place in politics.

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someone who adheres to the doctrine that ordinary moral distinctions are invalid


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A moral relitivist would simply disagree as to exactly which morals should guide a government. An amoralist would not want morality involved in government at all. By those definitions, he is an amoralist.


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It means I thought the surge was the best course of action at the time given the fact we already royally screwed things up. We broke Iraq and hence we need to fix it. That doesn't change the fact we never should have broken it to begin with.
I am ok with your incorrect interpretation of past events so long as we get what we want in the here and now. Thanks for your support.
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