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Wind speeds at that altitude on that day, combined with the fire from the burning fuel, caused the steal to melt to a point where the structure could no longer hold the weight of the material above.

I saw that building go down, the "explosions" in the video were debunked as nothing more than pressure releases from material being broken apart quickly.
If this is the case why did it fall straight down and not off to the side? Steel melts at ~2500 degrees F and jet fuel burns at max ~1800 degrees F.
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I said it before, those who believe the ridiculous bogus nonsense about Osama the caveman, and Arabs who can't fly, can't even dry a car, and of whom at least 7 turned out to be alive and well, being behind 9/11, must have some serious issues with reality and common sense! The official conspiracy theory has more holes in it than Swiss cheese!

Steel core buildings don't just collapse from damage caused by fire, steel and concrete don't burn, when everything that burns is consumed by the fire, steel and concrete remain. Buildings also don't just fall into their their own footprint without help, otherwise demolishing experts would be totally futile!


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I don't think there is one concrete and steel building in the world that has collapsed from a fire. If you can think of one let me know.
Watch Screw Loose Change, it has happened before. Not to mention the impact of a thousands pound missile with quite a bit of jet fuel.
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If this is the case why did it fall straight down and not off to the side? Steel melts at ~2500 degrees F and jet fuel burns at max ~1800 degrees F.
Steel does not have to have to melt to be structurally weakened. The burning fires heated the steel up so much that it lost it's strength and became weak. It did not melt it broke.

While I don't know exactly what happened to WTC 7, there were reports that it was a controlled demolition. This was because WTC 7 was a hazard to the emergency workers in the WTC complex
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Steel does not have to have to melt to be structurally weakened. The burning fires heated the steel up so much that it lost it's strength and became weak. It did not melt it broke.

While I don't know exactly what happened to WTC 7, there were reports that it was a controlled demolition. This was because WTC 7 was a hazard to the emergency workers in the WTC complex
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Wind speeds at that altitude on that day, combined with the fire from the burning fuel, caused the steal to melt to a point where the structure could no longer hold the weight of the material above.

I saw that building go down, the "explosions" in the video were debunked as nothing more than pressure releases from material being broken apart quickly.
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Steel does not have to have to melt to be structurally weakened. The burning fires heated the steel up so much that it lost it's strength and became weak. It did not melt it broke.

While I don't know exactly what happened to WTC 7, there were reports that it was a controlled demolition. This was because WTC 7 was a hazard to the emergency workers in the WTC complex
I am just replying to the other posters. I believe there was molten steel after the Towers fell. How was WTC 7 a hazard to the emergency workers? There has not been a collapse of a concrete and steel building from fire. Why did the 9/11 commission not even mention WTC 7 in there report? Take a look at the picture I have attached and explain to me that the steel is not melted.
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The truth is probably somewhere in between; some of the conspiracy claims are absurd; but these claims have the beneficial effect of making the govt explain itself more fully.
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I am just replying to the other posters. I believe there was molten steel after the Towers fell. How was WTC 7 a hazard to the emergency workers? There has not been a collapse of a concrete and steel building from fire. Why did the 9/11 commission not even mention WTC 7 in there report? Take a look at the picture I have attached and explain to me that the steel is not melted.
How do I know thats even from the WTC? What your saying is that steel can't collapse unless it is molten steel. So your proposing that A steel structure on fire would just burn and burn until the steel suddenly liquifies and collapses. Steel can collapse without being molten.
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How do I know thats even from the WTC? What your saying is that steel can't collapse unless it is molten steel. So your proposing that A steel structure on fire would just burn and burn until the steel suddenly liquifies and collapses. Steel can collapse without being molten.
I am not saying steel has to melt to cause a building to collapse. How long did the building burn before it collapsed. Why did it collapse? I don't believe the pancake theory at all. If that was the case why was there not a stack of floors after it collapsed. Why did it fall at almost free fall speed? Why was the concrete pulverized into dust? Why to firefighters that were in the towers say they saw and felt small explosions? I do not believe the "official" conspiracy theory at all.
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I am not saying steel has to melt to cause a building to collapse. How long did the building burn before it collapsed. Why did it collapse? I don't believe the pancake theory at all. If that was the case why was there not a stack of floors after it collapsed. Why did it fall at almost free fall speed? Why was the concrete pulverized into dust? Why to firefighters that were in the towers say they saw and felt small explosions? I do not believe the "official" conspiracy theory at all.
Do you have links to any interviews with firefighters?
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