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Old 03-07-2008, 01:58 AM
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Though I'm not from America I was living there at the time of 9/11. I remember when I seen those buildings come down, I said to my wife thats not right. I knew the way those buildings came down was to perfect. I also remember Bush talking about al-qaeda being responsible and some how connected them to Saddam. I also said at this time to my wife that this is impossible as Saddam did not tolerate al-qaeda or the taliban, in Iraq he was law and him alone. Then after the journalists and other media pointed this out to Bush, the US and the british came up withe another excuse to invade Iraq the WMD's. Now in this report Saddam had weapons that could strike Britain within 45mins. So Britain and America invade Iraq, now any child would know if Saddam had WMD's he would have used them by then. I mean why hide in a hole when you have these dangerous WMD's, what was he saving them for a rainy day. If you ask me this whole thing is just one big lie, Bush has told lie after lie and nothing happens to him. President Clinton lied about having an affair and the media were on him like a leech. He lied about having affair tell me what man wouldn't, he was trying to protect his wife and daughter, and save his own skin. Also that had nothing to do with the security of America, but Bushes lies did and yet he has not really had any bad rap from the press, can anyone explain this.
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Of course they lie, every politician lies. They are paid by the state to lie. To be more precise: their are paid by the citizens to lie.

Bush's administration is No1 in terms of lying. They managed to pull out 2 invasions by lying and presenting false and fabricated documents and data.

Clinton lied like hell, too. He lied about Lewinski, he lied about Kosovo. As a matter of fact, he used Kosovo and NATO bombing to distract attention from the Lewinski case and his possible impeachment.

Considering the 9/11 case, I am convinced it is another set up by US government in order to gain legitimacy for waging new wars from which only a certain number of people gain profit.

The war on terror in an invented one. Main results? Fear and support.
When a nation is afraid - it is easily governed. Plus, you have a clear path to narrowing their human rights (Patriot's Act is an example). And you even gain support for that! Brilliant!

It is the same thing that a waiter has in mind - waits for you to get drunk, then he robs you and you give him a tip
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Do you have links to any interviews with firefighters?
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nope, american government does not work that way. you must be a Democrat... donkey =)
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Wind speeds at that altitude on that day, combined with the fire from the burning fuel, caused the steal to melt to a point where the structure could no longer hold the weight of the material above.

I saw that building go down, the "explosions" in the video were debunked as nothing more than pressure releases from material being broken apart quickly.
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Steel does not have to have to melt to be structurally weakened. The burning fires heated the steel up so much that it lost it's strength and became weak. It did not melt it broke.
Maybe its just me but after watching this video its pretty clear that the Steel didnt break it melted, and considering that steel only "melts" at 2500 degrees Fahrenheit its ovious that thermite or some other type of demolition device was used.
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We all know Alex Jones. He's got some interesting theories but I can't find the interview with the workers anywhere else. I tried emailing the infowars website but they didn't get back. Alex Jones doesn't count as a credible source. The laws of physics still stand as well.
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I don't think there is one concrete and steel building in the world that has collapsed from a fire. If you can think of one let me know.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff1_1210707903

This is recent there are others.For God sakes if youre going to cry conspiracy please have a theory at hand you intend to defend with facts.I hope youve changed you mind but I imagine youve already got mitigating arguments ready to go.

If there are 'holes' in the 'official' story they are pinholes compared to the craters the conspiracists have in their half hearted 'theories'.Voice morphing cell phone calls from victims? Holograms of the planes hitting the towers? Explosives planted on every floor of the WTC undetected with no residue or forensic evidence ever found? Know nothing residents in Shanksville photoshopping photos of the explosion? BBC having preknowledge?

Then theres the whole intellectually dishonest misrepresentation of the stuff that does exist...like that clip of WTC7 that supposedly shows the building collapse in 7 secs? We know thats not the case but its been quoted time and time again.It actually takes twice as long and isnt a crisp as that clip implies.

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Thermate is a cutting charge and not a high explosive.It wouldve taken tons of thermate to cut enough beams to get the effect your envisioning.In addition the columns wouldve had to been stripped to the steel core,free of all concrete,insulation and fireproofing and the charges wouldve had to be installed covertlyHeavily labor intensive and hardly non invasive.

Most people cite the temp of jet fuel without thinking for a second about all the other materials that filled the interior of the towers.Any idea what some of those items might be and thier respective ignition temps?
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