Kosovo Albanian in terror plot v USA - Page 2

Sadistic-Savior · #11 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 06:35 AM

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What are you talking about? Nobody is afraid of the USA, the plywood rambo.

Then why isn't Russia confronting us over Kosovo? Why hasn't China invaded Taiwan?

Your actions (or in this case, lack of actions) speak volumes.

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Yes, you have plenty of reasons to sow hatred to all American-related everywhere in the Globe. Someday you'll get a good Harvest.

Perhaps. But not today, heh heh

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More advanced, you said? I think only one missile from our Typhoon-class submarine can easily convert a group of the US aircraft carriers into a cloud of radioactive steam.

Yeah, too bad you'll never have the balls to use it.

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This is not our primary Strategic Bomber.

Then what is? Dont be afraid to include sources.

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Economy has nothing to do with the ability of kick an arse of aggressor in case of attack.

You need a large economy to support a large military. As Russia is finding out now.

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Do not under estimate your opponent - is one of the major rules made clear by Sun Tzu in his famous book called The Art of War so i sugest you listen what the man says.

How are we underestimating them?

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The only reason why world thinks Russian military power is inferior to US one is because Russian branches of armed forces are not advertised as much or better said at all.

Russia does not want to advertise it's weaknesses. Which makes sense.

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People keep forgeting that the power is in knowledge and experience more than it is in technology.

Not really. If the only weapon you have is a rock, no amount of knowledge and experience is going to keep you from being killed by a guy with a machine gun. Technology matters a great deal, especially in modern warfare.

I don't underestimate Russia's technological prowess though...I don't think they are our equals, but they are definitely #2 in the world. Ahead of the EU, and far ahead of China. But they don't have a sufficient economy to leverage it. So long as Putin remains in power, I don't see that changing. So I don't consider Russia a threat to our agenda.

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I cannot say if Russia could beat USA or vice versa but i can say that Russia is not to be mocked or pushed around.

And yet we are doing exactly that. They made noise over Kosovo...we ignored it. They complained about our missile defense bases...we ignored that to. They complain and then we do what we want to do anyway, and they do nothing about it.

What are the consequences to us of ignoring Russia so far? They are becoming as impotent as China.

Fascist Canuck · #12 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fear-And-Loathing

Nobody is afraid of the USA?

Well if nobody is afraid of the USA, then Russia must be a pushover.

Plywood Rambo?

Tell me you 'Russian Bear' how's the whole Russian Navy thing going? Oh right, there is no Navy, it's all in port rotting away while the American one grows and gets more advanced each day......

Hows the Army? Still bogged down in Chechnya? Still got Conscription? Do you have Conscription for fun or b/c no one wants to join the Army that has been fighting in Chechnya for oh i don't know 15 years?

And the Air Force, well um All I say to that is look at your primary Strategic Bomber.

So to conclude the Russian Military is a joke, cannot even hold down a Seperatist movement within the country and when it sends bombers around they're always escorted by NATO fighters....

Was it like that in the Cold War? No. How big was the Soviet economy? Second. How big is the Soviet, I mean Russian economy now? Seventh.

See where I'm driving at now?

So you still claim the Russian military would not be ******* themselves if they went to war with the US? Neigh you claim that any country would not **** themselves if they went to war with the US?

Didn't think so

*ROTFLMAO @ the post of the Soviet 'Bear' bomber* No, no. That's not their strategic bomber. This is:

The Russian in this thread was right. Read below:

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According to press reports in the late 1980s, a defector stated that the Backfire regularly conducted exercises at intercontinental range, that this intercontinental range was greater than the Bison's, that the Backfire had a screw-in type refueling probe, that this screw-in refueling probe was stockpiled for every Backfire at all bomber bases, and that the Soviets had an active program of camouflage, concealment, and deception to mislead the West about the intercontinental range capability of the Backfire.

And yes, the Americans were afraid of this plane. The proof is below:

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The US proposed to the Soviets that they sign a politically binding declaration outside of START, which would commit them to: (1) not give the Backfire an intercontinental capability by air-to-air refueling or by any other means; (2) deploy no more than 400 Backfire; and (3) include all Backfire -- including naval Backfire--in the Conventional Forces in Europe [CFE] aircraft limits.

Sadistic-Savior · #13 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 07:19 AM

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*ROTFLMAO @ the post of the Soviet 'Bear' bomber* No, no. That's not their strategic bomber.

Source?

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Fascist Canuck · #14 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Source?

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You do know how to follow an URL yes, or must I give you instructions as I would a little child?

Sadistic-Savior · #15 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 07:57 AM

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You do know how to follow an URL yes, or must I give you instructions as I would a little child?

I'll need a URL before I can follow it. Or are you trying to send it to me telepathically?

AmusedToDeath · #16 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 10:19 AM

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Threaten us at your own risk.

Say that to Hugo Chavez... I see he's got no problems with that... And what did you do? Nothing, even after he nationalized you oil companies and referred to your dumb president as a "smelly devil". In very New York. What happened? Nothing.
Why? Because your economy can not provide a war in two separate fronts without collapsing of the system. So your words are empty.

On the other hand, the Russians would fight a war even if it destroyed their economy. Just give them a reason. You watch too much movies, man!

Sadistic-Savior · #17 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 11:01 AM

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Me: Threaten us at your own risk.

Say that to Hugo Chavez...

How is Hugo threatening us?

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I see he's got no problems with that... And what did you do?

About what? What has he actually done?

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Nothing, even after he nationalized you oil companies and referred to your dumb president as a "smelly devil".

We have recourse. And the oil companies are not state owned anyway...they all knew the risks of dealing with South American socialists. It isn't Uncle Sam's job to bail them out. Chavez technically did not seize any US assets...he seized the assets of some privately owned companies that are owned by US citizens.

And um...name calling doesn't count as a "threat" heh heh

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On the other hand, the Russians would fight a war even if it destroyed their economy.

Yeah, I know. Thats why the Soviets no longer exist, heh heh

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Just give them a reason.

Nothing would provoke them short of an actual invasion. Witness how they are sitting on their thumbs while Kosovo declares independence. They're pragmatists, and therefore predictable.

AmusedToDeath · #18 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 11:19 AM

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Witness how they are sitting on their thumbs while Kosovo declares independence. They're pragmatists, and therefore predictable.

Not even Serbia wants a war over Kosovo now. Why should the Russians, knowing that such an action could provoke WW3? They are humane enough, even though you Americans do not consider them to be.

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They're pragmatists, and therefore predictable

You want to say that Americans are idealists and therefore not predictable? Give me a break, will ya? Political pragmatism was nearly invented by USA.

You constantly repeat two phrases in your posts, and these are: "The Russians are pragmatists" and "Alternatives were worse"

You lack knowledge of terms or were you taught by your republicans to speak that way? Just a question

Sadistic-Savior · #19 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 11:23 AM

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Me: Witness how they are sitting on their thumbs while Kosovo declares independence. They're pragmatists, and therefore predictable.

Not even Serbia wants a war over Kosovo now.

Then I guess it didnt mean as much to you as you thought eh?

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Why should the Russians, knowing that such an action could provoke WW3?

No argument here. The Russians don't really care about Serbia or Kosovo. This talk about "Slavic Brotherhood" is ridiculous...at best they view Serbia as a minion. Not as an equal.

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They are humane enough, even though you Americans do not consider them to be.

When did I say the Russians are inhumane? I just said they were indifferent unless their personal interests are threatened. Which is true.

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You want to say that Americans are idealists and therefore not predictable?

Correct. Just ask Saddam. He didn't think we would invade Iraq.

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Give me a break, will ya? Political pragmatism was nearly invented by USA.

What practical value do we get from the Cuban embargo?

Grond · #20 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Then why isn't Russia confronting us over Kosovo? Why hasn't China invaded Taiwan?

Your actions (or in this case, lack of actions) speak volumes.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Yeah, too bad you'll never have the balls to use it.

There is no WWIII yet. So we have to keep missiles in silos. Is it a bit hard for you to understand? Why do you constantly show yourself so vulnerable, speaking about *balls* again and again?

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

Then what is? Dont be afraid to include sources.

Perhaps, we also have to teach you how to place a CD into CD/DVD-ROM, huh?!

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior

You need a large economy...

...based by chinese - backed dollar, eh?

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