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You know, Fascist Canuck, seems that Stealth bomber crashed on Guam when was desperately trying to do something like shown above

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There is no match for this one in a dogfight:

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Dogfights are so 1970s. BVR is the future. Those dogfighters will be flaming wreckage by the time they even detect the American fighter that shot them down.

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Me: Yeah, too bad you'll never have the balls to use it.

There is no WWIII yet.
And there never will be. Because Russia doesn't have the balls to confront us on anything.

I'm beginning to wonder if even an invasion would be enough to provoke Russia.



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Why do you constantly show yourself so vulnerable, speaking about *balls* again and again?
Because we do things that supposedly piѕs Russia off (like recognizing Kosovo or invading Iraq), yet they do nothing about it but talk. Where are the consequences for us? Whats to stop us from recognizing the next state as independent?

Therefore I conclude Russia has no balls. Which is probably a good thing for everyone (including Russia). I'm not complaining.

How exactly are we vulnerable?



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Me: Then what is? Dont be afraid to include sources.

Perhaps, we also have to teach you how to place a CD into CD/DVD-ROM, huh?!
Why are you so afraid to use sources that everyone can see?




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Me: You need a large economy...

...based by chinese - backed dollar, eh?
The irony is that even with that debt our economy still dwarf's Russia, heh heh
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Dogfights are so 1970s. BVR is the future. Those dogfighters will be flaming wreckage by the time they even detect the American fighter that shot them down.
...is nothing more than hopeless mantra. Seems you have neither basic physical knowledges, nor military background but dare bravely chat about "doffights", "radar detecting" etc. All your brave statememnts are based on pseudo-patriotism as well as on slogans broadcasted by the US cable TV.
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And there never will be. Because Russia doesn't have the balls to confront us on anything.

Better watch Simpsons than make such loud silly claims. We used to shot down your U2 high-altitude airplanes. We used to ram your warships in Black Sea. Nowadays out strategic planes fly over US aircarriers. And Sadistic still murmurs about balls...
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Because we do things that supposedly piѕs Russia off (like recognizing Kosovo or invading Iraq), yet they do nothing about it but talk
You really do things that make us laughing at your stupid foreign policy.
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Where are the consequences for us?
Remember Osama bin Laden. Not enough? You rased him like beloved child.
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Whats to stop us from recognizing the next state as independent?
Nothing 'cause the stupidity of current US administration has no limits
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Therefore I conclude Russia has no balls.
*Sigh* You keep calling about balls again and again . Is it a certain sort of personal problem for gay person???
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The irony is that even with that debt our economy still dwarf's Russia, heh heh
Bragging again...
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Those dogfighters will be flaming wreckage by the time they even detect the American fighter that shot them down.
"Advances in sensor technologies ... provide the enemy with a 'first-look' advantage over US pilots," said the Air Force paper, which referred to airmen flying in current-generation F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s. "Advances in fire control provide the enemy with a 'first-shot' and launch-and-leave capability. Enemy first-look and first-shot capabilities will put US pilots at a deadly disadvantage."

According to Air Force intelligence analysts, the Flanker family is equal to the F-15C in maneuverability, radar detection range, and visibility on radar. The Flanker is larger than the F-15 and enjoys an advantage in range because of its internal fuel-carrying capacity. These estimates of the Flanker's capabilities are based on intelligence, statements by Sukhoi representatives, and the firsthand experiences of US, European, and Japanese pilots who have been allowed to fly the aircraft.

All told, there are about 600 air superiority Flankers in service, about 400 of them in Russia. Vietnam operates 12 and has 24 more on order. Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan each have at least a squadron's worth, and Ukraine has about 70. Ethiopia has a handful of secondhand models, and there are unconfirmed reports of transfers to Angola and Syria. Yemen is said to be in final negotiations to buy about 24 airplanes.

Russia has decided to build its air force for the next 20 years around the Flanker and its variants and is aggressively marketing the Su-27 family to help defray its own costs. Sales of the aircraft include several types of weapons. The most advanced of these is the AA-12, Russia's answer to the US AIM-120 AMRAAM. India may actually deploy the AA-12 in advance of the Russian air force.

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Luckily, the F-22s will face certain death after they meet one of this, which the US Patriot AA looks like a toy in comparison to:
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USAF analysts expect to see during this period a sharp global rise in the number of fourth-generation fighters. These aircraft, comparable to Air Force F-15s and F-16s and Navy F-18s, are highly maneuverable and have advanced radars and Beyond-Visual-Range missiles. Already, some 2,500 such fighters--MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s, Tornados, and the like--can be found in active service in about 40 countries, according to the Air Force. A like number of US-built fighters are in service in about 25 countries.
Foreign fighters are catching up to our 1970s technology. BFD.

Maneuverability is of very little use in BVR combat. Avoiding a missile is not like avoiding another jet. Especially if you havnt detected the enemy plane until the missile is on its way to you.



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Even more worrisome than generation four fighters are the aircraft coming just behind. These "fourth-and-a-half" generation aircraft, a quartet of new foreign fighter designs now entering production, are considered significantly more powerful than most of the top aircraft in the US inventory.

The four are Eurofighter's Typhoon, Dassault's Rafale, SAAB's Gripen, and Sukhoi's Su-35/37.


http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
How exactly are they superior? No stealth. The Rafael and Gripen have no supercruise. I'm not sure the SU 35/37 does either.



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"Advances in sensor technologies ... provide the enemy with a 'first-look' advantage over US pilots," said the Air Force paper, which referred to airmen flying in current-generation F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
Notice they are making comparisons to our PREVIOUS generation of aircraft. No one has disputed that the nextgen foreign fighters will be superior to the previous generation of American aircraft.

The F-22, JSF (F-35), F-117 and B1 are not previous generation. The "first look first kill" crap wont apply to our stealth aircraft. Actually, it will be the other way around.


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"Many countries will focus on modifying and upgrading versions of proven airframes to accommodate [a] newer generation of air-launched weapons," the Air Force said. These advanced missiles "will be characterized by increased range through ramjet propulsion, more sophisticated motors, helmet-mounted cuing systems, improved seekers, ... and improved counter-countermeasures." Newer missiles, like the Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, will have active-radar seekers, which will allow the pilot to fire, turn around, and run without giving any further guidance to the missile.
Um...what is to stop the US from doing the exact same thing with it's own older fighters?

We already have the largest airforce in the world even if you ignore technology and only consider numerical advantage. Even larger than China.



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Air Force officers say the F-22 will be the only "true" fifth-generation fighter to enter active service during the next 20 years. [...] only Russia and China have said they are at work on development of a true fifth-generation fighter. They are not likely to enter service any time soon.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
That is from your own link.



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According to Air Force intelligence analysts, the Flanker family is equal to the F-15C in maneuverability, radar detection range, and visibility on radar.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
In other words...an easy target for an F-22 or JSF.




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Russia revealed the MiG 1.44 three years ago. It features thrust-vectoring engine nozzles, but little else about it is very revolutionary. Though advertised as a stealthy aircraft, its appearance suggests low observability wasn't much of a design concern.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
Heh heh...in other words, it is probably inferior to US stealth.



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The company has experienced huge financial problems, particularly with the selection of rival Sukhoi's Flanker series as the centerpiece of the Russian air force, and the 1.44 is considered, at best, a technology demonstrator.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
No production models for you.

Remember what I said about economy?



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The S-37, a large aircraft with forward-swept wings, has performed interesting flight routines.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
I have seen that one before, and I have to admit it looks pretty dаmn cool. But, unfortunately:


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Still, a true, fielded Russian counterpart to the F-22 could be as much as 20 years away, said a top Pentagon official. Even if a program were to be launched immediately, it would still take "about seven years" to construct such an airplane, he said, followed by "12 to 15 years to test and bring it to IOC [Initial Operational Capability]." There's no indication that the required cash is available. The program "is pretty chaotic," he added.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
So no SU-37 for you either. =(



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China is working on an airplane reminiscent of the F-22 and French Rafale, called the X-X-J or F-12, but analysts said it is too soon to even guess when it will fly, let alone enter service. "All our previous estimates of how fast they can develop something have been too generous," an industry analyst said.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
Heh heh....maybe in another hundred years they will catch up.



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Still, the Chinese are poised to begin production of a significant new airplane, called the F-10. This fighter, which strongly resembles the aborted Israeli-American Lavi project of the 1980s, is expected to replace large quantities of 1960s- and 1970s-vintage MiG-19s and MiG-21s in Chinese service.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
Oh no, the Chi-comms are going to build a replica of an aborted 1980s era American/Jew airplane! Everyone run in terror!

I wonder what other discarded decades-old American technology they will try to replicate next. I cant wait to find out.

Seriously, they have occasionally developed some cool stuff. They developed an active laser defense system for their tanks that is pretty cool (basically a laser that can be used to blind or disable enemy optics). But as far as air power goes, they are far far behind us. Behind Europe as well.

The bulk of their airforce will be the F-10, which I debunked on another forum a while back. The F-10 is basically equivalent to an F-16, and although it is billed as an "indigenous" fighter, it uses largely foreign technology and parts. It's about as "indigenous" to China as McDonalds.


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The Eurofighter Typhoon, which is expected to see operational service in a few years, will easily outstrip the capabilities of the Su-37, as well as the F-15, and in fact is considered second only to the F-22 in capability.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
Let me translate: Europe better than Russia. US better than Europe.



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So far, France is the only customer for Rafale and plans to acquire 140 for its air force and about 60 navalized versions for its aircraft carriers through 2012-15. However, US intelligence analysts believe that France has positioned itself to sell Rafale to Iraq, as one said, "as soon as the sanctions are lifted." The price of one Rafale exceeds $60 million, not including munitions.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
I hope they do. I would love to see a democratic Iraq armed with modern weapons. It cant happen fast enough for me.

It isnt as good as an F-22, and probably not as good as a JSF, but certain better than the Soviet/Russian crap most of their enemies will be armed with.



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Analysts agreed, though, that the Air Force's rigorous and realistic training gives it the edge against aircraft that are at or near parity with the F-15. "We operate [ours] better," said one intelligence expert.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/oct2001/1001fighter.asp
This is all from your own link. So I assume you consider it valid.



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Luckily, the F-22s will face certain death after they meet one of this, which the US Patriot AA looks like a toy in comparison to:
Please post your evidence that those weapons can target stealth aircraft.
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Your BVR is nothing more than hopeless mantra.
Then why are the Russians perusing BVR technology as well? Are they just stupid?

But I guess we will never actually see it tested, since the Russians don't have the balls to confront us on anything anyway.


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Seems you have neither basic physical knowledges, nor military background but dare bravely chat about "doffights"
I dont think you have the basic physical knowledges either.



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All your brave statememnts are based on pseudo-patriotism
Bravery is irrelevant. I am merely stating facts.



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Better watch Simpsons than make such loud silly claims. We used to shot down your U2 high-altitude airplanes.
And it was very brave of you to shoot down an unarmed plane. it must have taken a lot of guts. I totally agree.

Of course, that was several decades ago...when Russia was the Soviet Union. They are a bit smaller now.



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We used to ram your warships in Black Sea. Nowadays out strategic planes fly over US aircarriers.
...and do nothing. And more nothing.



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Remember Osama bin Laden. Not enough?
Apparently not. Did Osama make us leave Iraq or Afghanistan?


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*Sigh* You keep calling about balls again and again . Is it a certain sort of personal problem for gay person???
You have to have balls to be gay. Literally. heh heh


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Me: The irony is that even with that debt our economy still dwarf's Russia, heh heh

Bragging again...
How is it bragging to state the facts?
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Luckily, the F-22s will face certain death after they meet one of this, which the US Patriot AA looks like a toy in comparison to:
I am sure the U.S. Military has more detailed pictures of these systems than the one you have provided to us, here. Good thing Jovica Stanisic isn't in charge, any more. Or you might have made it on their short list...
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Foreign fighters are catching up to our 1970s technology. BFD.
Your stealth planes are based right on 1970s technology, developed by Russian Pyotr Ufimtsev and stolen by Americans
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Maneuverability is of very little use in BVR combat. Avoiding a missile is not like avoiding another jet.
..says who???
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How exactly are they superior? No stealth. The Rafael and Gripen have no supercruise. I'm not sure the SU 35/37 does either.
Stealth doesn't mean "superior". After Kosovo War it rather means "vulnerable".

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Let me translate: Europe better than Russia. US better than Europe.
..better by total amount of downed stealth planes? Yes!
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