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Old 03-05-2008, 03:20 AM
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There will probably always be increasingly isolated islamist killers able to set a bomb off - does this mean a whole nation need surrender to them?

Nooooooooooooooooooo..............
does this acknowledgment that terrorism can never be completely supressed mean that our nation will forever be waging a 'war on terror'?
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Old 03-05-2008, 03:30 AM
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IOW Yes...Yes they would be there as they where there prior to the invasion......

One of the worst miscarriages of the media is failing to debunk the claim Democrats make that al Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to the invasion..when they all know (*)(*)(*)(*) well it was!

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in an area of northeastern Iraq not under Iraqi government control
So there was a camp under the protection of the US no fly zones and out of the control of Saddam. So let me get this strait, there is no link to this camp and Saddam, but it justifies the attack to remove Saddam from power.

And you GULP the cool aid. President Bush intentionally did not attack this camp just so lemmings like yourself could make the claim that Al Qaida is in Iraq even if they had no links to Saddam.

President Bush stopped attacking known terrorists, resulting in the deaths of many US soldiers in a resistance led by Zarqawi, just so you could make this ridiculous claim.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

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The Pentagon drew up still another attack plan, and for the third time, the National Security Council killed it.
Military officials insist their case for attacking Zarqawi’s operation was airtight, but the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam.
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..and open ended undefined no strategy war forever in Afghanistan if Hillary or Obama is elected.
Oh silly me did they forget to mention that?
What is the strategy in Afghanistan? Sorry, I forgot Stay the Course.

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Hope... change....lose in Iraq..hope.. change..lose..hope..change..I will send them to Afghanistan..hope..change...after they lose..hope..change..I opposed it in 2002..hope..change...so I can throw it away...hope..change..yes we can!
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Only the left will throw away a war we are winning and then treat an ally like a leper simply becasue they hate Bush. You notice they say nothing about Afghanistan..they say nothing about our bases in other nations..thats all fine ..open ended war to make them look tough with bases all over the world..but not Iraq...oh no not Iraq...ridiculously naive and stupid.
The reason they don't say anything about Afghanistan is because it is directly tied into the attacks of 9/11. Now we know that Iraq wasn't, we are still looking for this huge stockpile of WMDs that have never been found, we know that they never had any Nuclear capabilties. What part don't you understand?


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There will probably always be increasingly isolated islamist killers able to set a bomb off - does this mean a whole nation need surrender to them?

Nooooooooooooooooooo..............
So if they are isolated, why would leaving surrender the country to them??

If we leave Iraq, we are not surrendering to anyone. Only the republicans are trying to frame the arguement in this way, which is idiotic. The republican intent is to prevent the US from ever being able to leave Iraq, because it will mean surrender. The problem, is that even with victory, if we leave, we have now surrendered because that is the way the republicans have framed it for so many years.

Talk about the mentality that will ensure our defeat. Claiming that if we don't acheive ridiculous and impossible goals, we are surrendering is just setting the country up to fail. How about saying that our objective was to remove Saddam from power and establish a democratic Iraq, and we have already acheived our goals. Frame it in such a manner that we are victorious.

Nut I seriously think the republicans want to make an Iraq where the US is bound for failure, just for partisian political purposes, just so they can try to blame democrats for the failure to acheive impossible goals, that the republicans set.
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Thanks HardDriver you just acknowledged al Qaeda was in Iraq prior to the invasion..from now on I expect you never to utter the lie that they where not again.

So as par the course you rush off to bash Bush...zzz

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In 2002 Zarqawi established a camp in NE Iraq with al Qaeda's ally Ansar al Islam .
Zarqawi did not have any connection to al qaeda until 2004.
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In 1989, Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to join the insurgency against the Soviet invasion, but the Soviets were already leaving by the time he arrived. It is thought that he met and befriended Osama bin Laden while there. Instead of fighting, he became a reporter for an Islamist newsletter. There are reports that in the mid-1990s, Zarqawi traveled to Europe and started the al-Tawhid paramilitary organization, a group dedicated to installing an Islamic regime in Jordan. Zarqawi was arrested in Jordan in 1992, and spent five years in a Jordanian prison for conspiring to overthrow the monarchy to establish an Islamic caliphate. He was arrested for possessing explosives

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Upon his release from prison in 1999, Zarqawi was involved in an attempt to blow up the Radisson SAS Hotel in Amman, where many Israeli and American tourists lodged. He fled Jordan and traveled to Peshawar, Pakistan, near the Afghanistan border. In Afghanistan, Zarqawi established a militant training camp near Herat, near the Iranian border. The training camp specialized in poisons and explosives. According to Jordanian officials and court testimony by jailed followers of Zarqawi in Germany, Zarqawi met in Kandahar and Kabul with Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders after travelling to Afghanistan. He asked them for assistance and money to set up his own training camp in Herat. With al-Qaeda's support, the camp opened and soon served as a magnet for Jordanian militants.
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Now what..bash Bush or just spin away from reality?

Being utterly wrong seems to be a hobby of yours.

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Thanks HardDriver you just acknowledged al Qaeda was in Iraq prior to the invasion..from now on I expect you never to utter the lie that they where not again.

So as par the course you rush off to bash Bush...zzz
Al Qaida was in Iraq. Al Qaida was also in the United States before the 9/11 attacks. Both mean exactly the same thing.... nothing if that presence is not condoned. So let's see you admit it, Al Qaida was in the United States....

Why don't you be a man, grow a spine, and admit that Saddam Hussein had no operational links with Al Qaida.

Why don't you admit that the White House deliberately blocked attacks on terrorist threats after 9/11.

Oh that's right, you don't believe in analyzing the facts, you believe in swallowing the cool aid.... zzzzzz
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Now what..bash Bush or just spin away from reality?

Being utterly wrong seems to be a hobby of yours.
Again, You again show no link to Saddam....

So how does your worthless arguement do anything to debunk the lies that Bush told to start an offensive war of choice.

WMD... No
Ties to Al Qaida... No.

Seems like you are the one who is wrong...again.
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We already had a war against al-Qaeda. Why did we need to start a second, independent war against Iraq? Especially if the al-Qaeda base was in American controlled no fly zone.

Why did we need to topple Saddam to continue to fight al-Qaeda?

All al-Qaeda wants to do is to kill Americans. If there are no more Americans in Iraq, they will no longer fight there. Sound good?

For the record, neither Hillary or Obama wants to end the war against al-Qaeda, so pulling out of Iraq will not allow al-Qaeda to run free. We will seek out and destroy al-Qaeda wherever they are, but you still seem to think that this will allow them to assume the vacuum of power which we have created.
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