The never ending resistance of Iraq

PeaceMaker · #1 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 09:06 AM

US soldier, seven others killed in Iraq chopper crash

BAGHDAD (AFP) - A Russian-made helicopter belonging to the Iraqi military has crashed in northern Iraq, killing eight people on board, including a US soldier, a US military official told AFP on Tuesday.
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"There were eight onboard, including one coalition force member. Recovery operations have been completed and there are no survivors," said US Lieutenant Michael Street.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080304...FfHUn1nG1X6GMA

http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesP...67&Language=en

Five US soldiers injured in bomb attack south of Baghdad
Military and Security 3/4/2008 6:41:00 PM

BAGHDAD, March 4 (KUNA) -- Five US soldiers and two Iraqi civilians were injured as a result of an improvised bomb attack south of Baghdad on Tuesday, Media Consultant for Iraqi Multi-National coalition forces Abdul-latif Al-Rayyan said.
Al-Rayyan told KUNA that the improvised bomb targeted a US military patrol in Al-Siedyeh area south of the capital.
The US forces is currently investigating the incident and the type of explosive used.(end) mhg.mb KUNA 041841 Mar 08NNNN

lunecat · #2 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 09:24 AM

You are meant to post an opinion - not just links.

The helicopter crash was not an act of resistance - it was a crash, most likely some mechanical problem.

The other shows that resistance still exists - we know that - hopfully soon the cell that planted the bomb and their arms suppliers will be dead or captured.

stay the course

Daybreaker · #3 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 10:33 AM

I think the opinion (implied maybe) was that the resistance in Iraq is never going to end with our current strategy.

That's what I think, anyway.

Garth · #4 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 11:00 PM

And we only have 50 to 100 more years of this if John McCain is elected. Hurray!!!

DuH2 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 11:13 PM

..and open ended undefined no strategy war forever in Afghanistan if Hillary or Obama is elected.
Oh silly me did they forget to mention that?

Hope... change....lose in Iraq..hope.. change..lose..hope..change..I will send them to Afghanistan..hope..change...after they lose..hope..change..I opposed it in 2002..hope..change...so I can throw it away...hope..change..yes we can!
Thank you.

Only the left will throw away a war we are winning and then treat an ally like a leper simply becasue they hate Bush. You notice they say nothing about Afghanistan..they say nothing about our bases in other nations..thats all fine ..open ended war to make them look tough with bases all over the world..but not Iraq...oh no not Iraq...ridiculously naive and stupid.

Either Democrat is elected....in the slightly altered immortal words of Sir Winston Churchill-

We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Iraq will be engulfed by al Qaeda. We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without cause, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of the world has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting". And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.

Blade · #6 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 11:28 PM

There will probably always be increasingly isolated islamist killers able to set a bomb off - does this mean a whole nation need surrender to them?

Nooooooooooooooooooo..............

Garth · #7 (**permalink**) 03-04-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

..and open ended undefined no strategy war forever in Afghanistan if Hillary or Obama is elected.
Oh silly me did they forget to mention that?

Hope... change....lose in Iraq..hope.. change..lose..hope..change..I will send them to Afghanistan..hope..change...after they lose..hope..change..I opposed it in 2002..hope..change...so I can throw it away...hope..change..yes we can!
Thank you.

Only the left will throw away a war we are winning and then treat an ally like a leper simply becasue they hate Bush. You notice they say nothing about Afghanistan..they say nothing about our bases in other nations..thats all fine ..open ended war to make them look tough with bases all over the world..but not Iraq...oh no not Iraq...ridiculously naive and stupid.

Either Democrat is elected....in the slightly altered immortal words of Sir Winston Churchill-

We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Iraq will be engulfed by al Qaeda. We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without cause, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of the world has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting". And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.

The difference is that Winston Churchill's country was attacked by his enemy. Oh wait, we were attacked by al-Qaeda, which is why Obama and Hillary are in favor of a war in Afghanistan.

DuH2 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 12:18 AM

The only part Winston Churchill has to do with the above is the "unmitigated defeat" the Democrats will hand us and all our allies in the war with al Qaeda. He says it well.

al Qaeda is in Iraq...btw..its called 'al Qaeda in Iraq'

Just a couple of days ago one of their "officers" who had been fighting in Afghanistan until 2007.. was killed..in Mosul, Iraq. Same enemy.

Fear-And-Loathing · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 12:57 AM

Of course Al Qaeda are in Iraq now, would they be there had we not invaded, very questionable indeed.

However, Iraq defied the UN countless times. By all accounts it should have been invaded by the UN long before we began the sabre rattling and drum banging. This is something everyone should take into account when thinking of Iraq. The UN should have acted, the UN should have been the one invading Iraq.

The world hopes the US would become a benevolent Superpower, guarding World Trade and enforcing Pax Americana. But when the US begins forcing the Pax, when the US begins to counter a threat to the stability everyone jumps on the anti-American bandwagon. The International Community is fickle......

IF you cannot get your head around this, if you distrust both the US govt. and the UN then at least think of the suffering we have caused in Iraq. That is why we shoudl remain there. Iraq needs to be able to fill its own power vacuum. We can help that, it needs more time. There is no definitive pullout date and this should remain. Only when Iraq can deal with every threat, decisively is when we should leave.

DuH2 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 02:07 AM

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Of course Al Qaeda are in Iraq now, would they be there had we not invaded, very questionable indeed.

In 2002 Zarqawi established a camp in NE Iraq with al Qaeda's ally Ansar al Islam . Known as the "Khurmal Camp". Do its location near the town of you guessed it...

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The area controlled by Ansar al-Islam in 2002 is marked in orange. Two of the group’s camps, Sargat and Biyara, are both near the town of Khurmal. [Source: Adam Weiskind / Christian Science Monitor]

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In April 2007, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet released his memoir titled At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA.

With regard to Ansar al-Islam(p. 350-351), Tenet wrote:

"Ansar al-Islam, a radical Kurdish Islamic group, was closely allied to al-Qa'ida. Kurdish Islamists and al-Qa'ida had come together in the summer of 2000 to create a safe haven for al-Qa'ida in an area of northeastern Iraq not under Iraqi government control, in the event Afghanistan was lost as a sanctuary. The area subsequently became a hub for al-Qa'ida operations. We believed that up to two hundred al-Qa'ida fighters began to relocate there in camps after the Afghan campaign began in the fall of 2001. The camps enhanced Zarqawi's reach beyond the Middle East. One of the camps run by AI, known as Kurmal, engaged in production and training in the use of low-level poisons such as cyanide. We had intelligence telling us that Zarqawi's men had tested these poisons on animals and, in at least one case, on one of their own associates. They laughed about how well it worked. Our efforts to track activities emanating from Kurmal resulted in the arrest of nearly one hundred Zarqawi operatives in Western Europe planning to use poisons in operations. What was even more worrisome was that by the spring and summer of 2002, more than a dozen al-Qa'ida-affiliated extremists converged on Baghdad, with apparently no harassment on the part of the Iraqi government. They had found a comfortable and secure environment in which they moved people and supplies to support Zarqawi's operations in northeastern Iraq...Do we know just how aware Iraqi authorities were of these terrorists' presence either in Baghdad or northeastern Iraq? No, but from an intelligence point of view it would have been difficult to conclude that the Iraqi intelligence service was not aware of their activities. Certainly, we believe that at least one senior AI operative maintained some sort of liaison relationship with the Iraqis. But operational direction and control? No."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam

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How al-Qaeda's Ally Came Back
Monday, Aug. 11, 2003 By MICHAEL WARE/BAGHDAD

When U.S. special forces led an assault in March on a compound in northern Iraq belonging to the militant group Ansar al-Islam, U.S. officials said they had taken out a significant terrorist threat. Before the war, Bush Administration officials identified Ansar, some of whose members are believed to have trained in al-Qaeda camps, as a link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, a claim based on reports that Saddam had dispatched an agent to northern Iraq to establish ties with Ansar. On March 26, after the strike on the compound, Bush said the U.S. had "destroyed the base of a terrorist group in northern Iraq that sought to attack America and Europe with deadly poisons."

Now it appears that the damage to the group was less than Bush had hoped. Last week Ansar was among the groups U.S. investigators named as possible culprits in the bombing of the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad. A U.S. intelligence official told TIME that the U.S. is looking at Ansar in part because before the war, the group was known for using car bombs that resemble the one that detonated last Thursday.

Specialists combing the bomb site say emerging clues point to professional terrorists. "Certain materials, remnants of the trigger mechanism — these things are saying a lot," says an Iraqi intelligence officer who works with the CIA. And while some locals insist the attack could have been the work of any number of perpetrators — from Shi'ite extremists to foreign-security agencies — most Iraqis believe it was carried out by former Baathists, an Islamic extremist group like Ansar or some combination of the two. A coalition spokesman says, "We know that [Ansar] is in the country, and we know that they would want to do that, but it's too early to say."

The U.S. believes that Ansar has ties to bin Laden — at least one Ansar prisoner in U.S. custody has confessed to being a member of al-Qaeda — but the relationship between Ansar and Saddam is still unclear. A senior intelligence official says the U.S. believes a Saddam "agent" infiltrated Ansar, but the group's leaders may not have known the agent was loyal to Baghdad. Either way, Ansar, which had more than 1,000 fighters before the war, has proved difficult to pin down. In March, despite a week of pummeling by U.S. missiles and a ground assault by close to 10,000 Kurdish fighters and about 100 U.S. special-ops troops, most of Ansar's fighters slipped away to Iran.

Since then, U.S. forces in Iraq have monitored their return. In April Ansar issued a statement declaring that it would no longer operate from a central base and warning that suicide bombers remained key in its arsenal. Two months later, the U.S. attacked a camp in Rawa in northwestern Iraq, killing at least 75 foreign fighters. The U.S. says many of those killed in the strike were members of Ansar plotting to join the resistance against the U.S. occupation.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...474577,00.html

IOW Yes...Yes they would be there as they where there prior to the invasion......

One of the worst miscarriages of the media is failing to debunk the claim Democrats make that al Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to the invasion..when they all know (*)(*)(*)(*) well it was!

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