Need to officially bring in the ArabUnion and Persian states into the Iraq mix asap.

Muslims must be brought in to police the mess in Iraq.



PS
A US admin that realizes it was mistake to begin with would be good.

The French had the same problem with Algiers. A never ending insurgency.

It is fighting an enemy that maintains a culture of death. This is difficult to defeat completely. Maybe never.

The absurdity of that is amazing.
The end.....

The answer is Ansar al-Islam

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yup. It will take incredible amounts of diplomatic schmoozing skill from the USA to do it, but it can be done.

It's in the interest of the Arabs and Persians that they be involved in rebuilding and policing of Iraq. Just have to convince them of it.

By absurd, you mean patently obvious?

The Guardian
February 6, 1999

Saddam link to Bin Laden

By Julian Borger

Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.

The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.

News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#tO6tWImvU6

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...314700,00.html
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The Washington Post
January 23, 1999; Page A02

Official Cites Gains Against Bin Laden

By Vernon Loeb

Richard A. Clarke, the Clinton administration's senior counterterrorism official, provided new information in defense of President Clinton's decision to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles at the El Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan, in retaliation for Osama bin Laden's role in the Aug. 7 embassy bombings.

While U.S. intelligence officials disclosed shortly after the missile attack that they had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa site that contained a precursor of VX nerve gas, Clarke said that the U.S. government is "sure" that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered VX-like substance at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would have become fully active VX nerve gas.

Clarke said U.S. intelligence does not know how much of the substance was produced at El Shifa or what happened to it. But he said that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa's current and past operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts, and the National Islamic Front in Sudan.
Given the evidence presented to the White House before the airstrike, Clarke said, the president "would have been derelict in his duties if he didn't blow up the facility."

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#iR3SycLjoW

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/
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US State Department
November 4, 1998

Bin Laden, Atef Indicted in U.S. Federal Court for African Bombings

New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.

Bin Laden's "al Qaeda" organization functioned both on its own and through other terrorist organizations, including the Al Jihad group based in Egypt, the Islamic Group also known as el Gamaa Islamia led at one time by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and a number of other jihad groups in countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Somalia.

Bin Laden, the US Attorney charged, engaged in business transactions on behalf of Al Qaeda, including purchasing warehouses for storage of explosives, transporting weapons, and establishing a series of companies in Sudan to provide income to al Qaeda and as a cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons, and chemicals, and for the travel of operatives.

According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.

"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

Beginning in 1992, bin Laden allegedly issued through his "fatwah" committees a series of escalating "fatwahs" against the United States, certain military personnel, and, eventually in February 1998, a "fatwah" stating that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world they can be found.

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#bU0cUbIjUm

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive_Index/
Bin_Laden_Atef_Indicted_in_U.S._Federal_Court_for_ African_Bombings.html
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No absurd..

How utterly stupid do you have to be to actually play it wasn't called al Qaeda in Iraq so it wasn't al Qaeda?

Go play in traffic.

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"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"Oderint dum metuant"
"Inartful: clear and straightforward, lacking the artistry that allows subsequent self-refutation and denial."
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Debunked by the pentagon, the CIA, and the 9/11 comission.

Alfred Lord Tennyson said in his poem
"Charge of the Light Brigade"

Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die



The Troops will do all that is asked of them from the politicians, as they have done.
The politicians want them out, they pull up the tent stakes and leave.
The politicians want them to stay, they will say good-bye to their families for another TDY.

I only ask the politicians to choose wisely.

I don't know what the proper course of action is for success.

If it's not al qaeda, it's not al qaeda. This doesn't require too much intelligence to understand, only very basic reason.


One thing's for certain: we've allowed al qaeda to proliferate in Iraq.

Mission Accomplished?